PAS99:2012 - What has changed since the 2006 version?

Bill Marshall

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Is this the right forum to post a notification :-
that PAS99 has been reissued

and ask a question :-
what has changed since the 2006 version ?

I'm sure I shall end up buying a copy, but a heads up on the changes would be useful.

many thanks
 

Sidney Vianna

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what has changed since the 2006 version ?
From the standard itself:
PAS 99:2012 has been developed to take account of changes in standards and to reflect the new ISO guidance that has been produced for standard writers, ISO Guide 83, High Level Structure and identical text for MSS and common MS terms and core definitions, which, as the title suggests, provides a high level structure and common core text for new and revised management system standards.

Although ISO Guide 83 is intended for those writing international standards, it provides a template which further develops the framework and text that was used in PAS 99:2006.

There have also been changes made to some management system standards referenced in PAS 99: 2006 since it was published and where these changes provide improvements to the integration process, they have been accommodated within the new version.

This revised PAS 99 is, therefore, based upon the structure of ISO Guide 83 and incorporates its text where appropriate to provide a future proof approach for accommodating new management systems standards as they are produced. Users of ISO 9001 and ISO 14001, which are unlikely to appear in the new format within the next two to three years, will find particular benefit in using PAS 99:2012 to enable them to develop their current integrated approaches. The subsequent revisions of ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 will have minimal impact on current internal management system operations. Many current standards under review or being drafted are likely to appear in this format in 2012 onwards and this PAS should help organizations accommodate common requirements in a format that will be the norm for the future.
It seems to me that, with the ISO move to standardize the format and structure of it's MSS's, PAS 99 is almost irrelevant, now.
 
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Bill Marshall

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Thank you, I had read that as well.

I now have a copy of the new PAS 99 and will try to summarise the differences when I have a chance.

One of my clients intends to expand their 9001 registration to include 14001 and 18001 and the quote from the registration body has been significantly reduced because they are also pursuing PAS99.

So, I think it will continue to be useful so long as compliance with PAS it reduces the registration costs for other standards.
 

Sidney Vianna

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One of my clients intends to expand their 9001 registration to include 14001 and 18001 and the quote from the registration body has been significantly reduced because they are also pursuing PAS99.
Without knowing more about the specifics of the case, I would dare to say that the certification costs were "significantly reduced", not because of PAS 99, but, very likely, because the organization is reporting an INTEGRATED SHEQ system.

PAS99 provides a structured approach to integrating different subsets of the Business Management System, but one can have a fully integrated approach to quality, occupational health & safety and environmental management without having to follow PAS99.

As I said before, that is EXACTLY the reason behind the ISO TMB mandating a common High Level Structure for all future ISO MSS's.
 

Bill Marshall

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Thanks Sidney,

although I'm not sure about your capitalisations. Perhaps they mean something different where I come from.

The certification body told us that the reduction is possible as they are also carrying out an assessment to PAS99 at the same time. ie if we're not going for PAS99, there's no reduction. I hope that's clearer.

Do you think that they shouldn't be using it in this way ?

I wonder if anyone else has experience of this kind of trade off being offered ?
 

Sidney Vianna

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The certification body told us that the reduction is possible as they are also carrying out an assessment to PAS99 at the same time. ie if we're not going for PAS99, there's no reduction. I hope that's clearer.
I am puzzled by the CB statement. PAS 99 provides for an integration of management (sub)systems framework. It states:
Compliance with this PAS does not in itself ensure conformity with any other management system standards or specifications. The particular requirements of each management system standard will still need to be addressed and satisfied if certification, where sought, is to be achieved.
So, if your client will be seeking certification to ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and OHSAS 18001, those standards will still be used as the source of requirements.
The reduction in audit time (and associated certification costs) come from the realization that, if the organization indeed has a truly integrated system, one does not need to test the common processes, such as, for example, document control separately for quality, environmental and OH&S related documents. Similarly, the corrective action process will be tested concurrently for SHEQ issues. Instead of 3 separate interviews with top management, one interview is sufficient to review their involvement and commitment to all 3 disciplines. With that in mind, there are time savings, which are reflected in audit costs. Note, though, that the audit team still has to be competent for all of the applicable disciplines in the scope of the audit.

There have been many organizations who have been certified to multiple standards, in an integrated fashion, who have never heard (nor used) PAS 99.
 
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Bill Marshall

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if the organization indeed has a truly integrated system, one does not need to test the common processes
I guess that the CB are using PAS99 as a framework by which to test this. If the common elements are grouped together, it allows a separate auditors to certify against each standard.

A single auditor competent in all standards could take responsibility for certification of the whole system, but the CB are using 3 separate auditors, one for each standard and the degree of integration (compliance with PASS99) will be assessed separately.
 

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