Peer Review prior to Stage 2 Audit - Acceptable or Not?

[Sidney Vianna]

It depends... If the nonconformities don't exist at the time of the audit, the 3rd party auditor shouldn't write them as nonconformities during the audit. If a corrective action has been initiated but the nonconformities still exist, the 3rd party auditor should still write them as nonconformities if they find them. The CB shouldn't issue a certificate of conformity when nonconformities still exist.

Are you familiar with the Should a Registrar write a NC on something that was found during the Internal Audit thread?

 

[howste]

Are you familiar with the Should a Registrar write a NC on something that was found during the Internal Audit thread?

Yep, I remember that one. There was a lot of good discussion. I believe I said essentially the same thing there.

 

[Polly Pure Bread]

It depends... If the nonconformities don't exist at the time of the audit, the 3rd party auditor shouldn't write them as nonconformities during the audit. If a corrective action has been initiated but the nonconformities still exist, the 3rd party auditor should still write them as nonconformities if they find them. The CB shouldn't issue a certificate of conformity when nonconformities still exist.

What if the commitment date for the identified nonconformity is not due yet? Should CB auditor tag it as nonconformity?

 

[Jim Wynne]

What if the commitment date for the identified nonconformity is not due yet? Should CB auditor tag it as nonconformity?

As Howste pointed out, if the NC itself still exists and hasn't been fixed (there has been no "correction"), the auditor should record it as an NC. On the other hand, if the correction has been made and the RCA and corrective action are in progress (and there's evidence of it), rather than being an NC the auditor should see it as evidence of the efficacy of your CA process. He might (and should) make note of it so it can be looked at again in the next audit, but it shouldn't be an NC.

 

[howste]

What if the commitment date for the identified nonconformity is not due yet? Should CB auditor tag it as nonconformity?

Jim said exactly what I would say.

 

[arin_23]

There's nothing stopping you from carrying out another round of audit instead of inventing a new term to describe what essentially is an audit.

Bull's eye!!!!

Dear DQAPPRENTICE,

You need not go for a "peer review", instead go for a full cycle of internal audit. Iunderstand your mandatory procedure for internal audit is already having some provisions of these kinda adhoc audits.

Regards,

Arin