Pop Quiz Auditing - Registrar called demanding they come back for another day

Randy

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What rules? The new registrar will have to follow some guidelines, but they have some latitude when certificates are transfered. Ask around.
 
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Mike Smith

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What Rules?

Are you talking about the rules for the IATF recognition? Also, can you let us know the registrar? Sidney says its easy. How so?
 
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Notts QA

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Following our recent TS surveillance audit, our auditor is coming back for 1 day (within 75 days) to close out the N/C's. Apparently, something to do with the new rules that start 15th Dec. Also, any N/C's found during the audit can no longer be closed out before the closing meeting. This is due to the recognition that it is seen as a quick fix rather than Root Cause Analysis. Only what i'm told though and yet to see it in black and white.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Randy said:
What rules? The new registrar will have to follow some guidelines, but they have some latitude when certificates are transfered. Ask around.
Randy, for TS certification, there is NO dancing around the rules. And the rules that apply in this case are:

AUTOMOTiVE CERTIFICATION SCHEME FOR ISO/TS 16949:2002 Rules for achieving IATF recognition 2nd Edition 2004. Effective December 15, 2004.

This new edition defines the IATF common registration scheme and rules for ISO/TS 16949:2002. These requirements are binding upon all stakeholders (certification bodies, organizations, and oversight offices) in the IATF scheme for ISO/TS 16949:2002 certification. Rules 2nd Edition is effective December 15, 2004. This new edition can also comes "packaged" with copies of ISO/TS 16949:2002 (TS-2K). The packaged price is $30 for members and $90 for non-members.

The answer to finding who the Registrar is lies in the profile of the original enquirer, who identifies the organization he works for. With a simple google search you link to their website and see two certificates displayed. One for QS-9000 and one for ISO 14001. I did not see the one for TS-16949.
 

Cari Spears

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Notts QA said:
Following our recent TS surveillance audit, our auditor is coming back for 1 day (within 75 days) to close out the N/C's. Apparently, something to do with the new rules that start 15th Dec.
Interesting. Welcome to the cove, Notts!! :bigwave:

Sidney - now that we know we're talking about TS, does this sound like what's going on for dchiles and his registrar? In the first post he did say that he thought it was unnecessary for them to come back on-site, why couldn't he just fax or mail them evidence.

dchiles - what do you mean "danced around" and "coy". I've never had a question for any of the registrars I've dealt with that I didn't get a straight answer from. Again, I must ask, is the conversation with the registrar being relayed to you - or are you speaking with them yourself?
 

Sidney Vianna

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Cari Spears said:
Sidney - now that we know we're talking about TS, does this sound like what's going on for dchiles and his registrar? In the first post he did say that he thought it was unnecessary for them to come back on-site, why couldn't he just fax or mail them evidence.
Cari, I prefer not to make assumptions here. You see, yesterday when this thread got started, we did not know that TS was part of the equation. Now we do.
The TS rules are much more involved than for other Schemes. There is a lot of control and bureaucracy involved.

I also learned that, it helps a lot to get the two (or many) sides of the story, before you can make a call. Many times, here in the Cove we are limited to a single side of the stories.....

In answer to Wes, I don't know of any publicly available database that would list all of the TS-16949 certified organizations. If you look at the advanced search features of WorldPreferred, it looked like you could search for TS certified organizations, but I ran a search to compare with DNV's list of TS certified organizations and found discrepancies, so I do not believe that the WorldPreferred TS records are 100% accurate.
 

Wes Bucey

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Thanks to Sidney and Al. The site I cited (cool word use, huh?) DOES include TS16949 registrations. The subject company of this thread is listed, along with its registrar. I agree with Sidney that many folks are still feeling their way with TS rules and regs. That said, the side of the story we have makes the registrar seem awfully undiplomatic in the way it deals with this particular registrant. You can bet your sweet patootie if I was the registrar, I would have a well-thought out approach as to why I was going to pick the registrant's pocket for a few more $.

In other threads, I have frequently railed at the problem of being "squeezed" between customer and registrar, compounded by bosses breathing down your neck with admonitions to "Get it done!" Some of us may enjoy enough power and prestige to stand up and demand better explanations, but most of us operate in an atmosphere of fear, whether for ourselves, our coworkers, or the entire organization, if we somehow alienate a registrar and delay or derail our organization's "license" to do business and thus put ourselves or everyone in the organization on the welfare rolls.

Is there a solution? I don't have one. The fact is, some registrars DO run roughshod over the registrants, despite the concept of competition among registrars.
 
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