PPAP and the IMDS (International Material Data System)

LUV-d-4UM

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For supplier PPAP, you must submit the Process Flow Chart, Process Failure Mode and Effect Analysis and the Control Plan. The IMDS should be taken cared of by your Company's Product Stewardship program.
 
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Marc

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Jim was just kidding. Your input is appreciated because it lets us know how you do things in your company.

Every company is a bit different than others in respect to responsibilities with regard to who and/or what department handles IMDS evaluations and submissions. I have been in companies where the product quality engineer was responsible for the IMDS for their product. On the other hand I have been in companies that did not have anyone with the title "product quality engineer".
 

LUV-d-4UM

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I know Marc. We do not get it right, all the time, with these TS auditors. We have so many engineers that have different titles to meet the different needs of the customers. THe automotives especially are hard to please. Thanks.
 

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I'm the operations director in my company and I still do IMDS submissions!!!

I have actually had no issues with the system. I have trained myself over the years and successfully submitted hundreds of articles. Yes new rules come out, different OEMs have different requirements, but I just stumble across these as I go and learn. Of course I accept in larger companies this probably is not the most efficient way, but for the smaller companies it's the only effective way.

The hardest thing is getting the information from your supply base in the first place. Plugging it in to IMDS is a piece of cake and the new version 8.0 is a huge improvement in terms of interface and usability.
 

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Is the 7.x version fully migrated over now? Last time I logged on it had the two options but I used the older one. How do you find out if your company has been migrated over to the 8.0?
 

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This is a funny one because they are doing migration in stages. I don't know the criteria behind when each supplier gets moved over and I was of the understanding that they would inform you when you get migrated, but this was not the case for us, i just tried logging in using the old version one day and it told me I'd been migrated and to use the NEW V8.0 link! No heads up!

Their advice was to use the old link until you're told otherwise, so just go with that and they'll tell you when you try to log in to the old system. The new V8.0 is actually quite well done in my opinion and it took me less than 5 minutes to find my way around and start using the system again. All your data comes over automatically so it is really only a case of finding your way around. Good luck!
 

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I should'nt have give my opinion on this one because I am struggling to comply with this requirement. Sorry.
No need for apologies. IMDS is just one of several obstacles placed in the path of progress in automotive work. I've struggled with it myself so I know what you're going through. Even if some other function or department is responsible for doing the submissions, it's a good thing to be able to do them yourself if necessary. Once you get the hang of it it's not that difficult.
 

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Jim's right, it really isn't that hard to use as long as you have a basic understanding of what it is used for and most importantly, you know the rules. The good thing about the system is that if you don't meet the systems rules, it will tell you before it lets you send any articles to your customers. The tricky part is meeting customer specific rules, I have had some real 'IMDS Tennis' with one particular Tier 1, who kept picking holes in my submission and it took around 5 attempts to have one accepted. The most frustrating thing was that they were being so inconsistent with their assessments. Finding a different issue each time! As long as you have an idea about the rules from your customer, the rest is pretty straightforward, unless of course your product contains a ton of lead or similar, then you've got a whole new issue that is beyond IMDS!

Your biggest challenge will always be 1. Getting the data from the supply chain and then 2. assuring the quality and usability of the data.
 
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