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BATMAN -
It isn't so much having and managing 2 systems.
Certainly we intend to be certified to QS9000 and are currently certified to ISO9002. As I have previously stated, I may be in for a shock.
However, my understanding is that it is all in the scope of registration. So, while we have ONE documented quality system that will include procedures to cover performance to both standards... the issue is to what part of the business will the QS Standards apply. For us, the QS9000 scope will only include activities for automotive and automotive-related customers.
That is what the auditor is required to audit. The part of the business that is covered by QS9000. For example, if I have side-by-side facilities, one responsible for the automotive business and the other responsible for all other industries, that would be easy. Plant A is under the scope of QS9000 registration, Plant B is not. It is no different internally. The automotive parts of our business are under the scope of registration, the others are not.
We have a "Transportation Team" in the front office. They will be involved in the PPAP process and the myriad of other events governed by the QS Standards. However, why should my "Medical and Healthcare Team," my "Electronics Team," and my "General Industrial Team" have to face the scrutiny of a QS9000 audit? Because the auditor might raise an eyebrow? I don't think so. His job is to audit within the scope of registration. If other parts of my business are not within the scope, his OPINION on its impact on my business is none of his concern. It is an automotive standard and it will apply to all systems in our facility that fall under that scope. My Medical, Electronic, and General Industrial Business in NOT with that scope.
Keep in mind though, there will be parts of the QS system that will apply to things that go on everywhere here. For instance, automotive parts could run on any machine in the facility. Therefore, our Maintenance Program will not simply be relegated to machines that run automotive parts, but have to apply to all machines (also because such an endeavor will add value to the business as a whole).
As for having all of our parts and customers being governed by an QS9000 Quality System... there wouldn't be enough time in the day to perform PPAPs, feasibility studies, and all of the other paperwork and planning for the Department of Redundancy Department we all know and love as the "Automotive Group" and apply it to all of our business. We are talking tens of thousands of different custom parts for thousands of customers. We don't just make transmissions, dashboards, brakes... single or few product lines. Each new RFQ is another new product we are making for somebody.
I don't know if all of this rambling has done anything for you, but I tried. Quite frankly, I wouldn't even be discussing QS9000 if the "Auto Group" weren't MAKING us do it in order to keep existing business and possibly get new business with them.
What I find absolutely amazing is that, prior to the advent of QS9000, we supplied wonderful products to them. Now, our business is in jeopardy over what I believe to not only be a "Quality System" but an opportunity to generate revenue via Plexus, books and all kinds of crap from the AIAG that are required, charge-backs, EDI via THEIR systems and so on.
TPTB here believe it is all worth it.
ALM
ALM
It isn't so much having and managing 2 systems.
Certainly we intend to be certified to QS9000 and are currently certified to ISO9002. As I have previously stated, I may be in for a shock.
However, my understanding is that it is all in the scope of registration. So, while we have ONE documented quality system that will include procedures to cover performance to both standards... the issue is to what part of the business will the QS Standards apply. For us, the QS9000 scope will only include activities for automotive and automotive-related customers.
That is what the auditor is required to audit. The part of the business that is covered by QS9000. For example, if I have side-by-side facilities, one responsible for the automotive business and the other responsible for all other industries, that would be easy. Plant A is under the scope of QS9000 registration, Plant B is not. It is no different internally. The automotive parts of our business are under the scope of registration, the others are not.
We have a "Transportation Team" in the front office. They will be involved in the PPAP process and the myriad of other events governed by the QS Standards. However, why should my "Medical and Healthcare Team," my "Electronics Team," and my "General Industrial Team" have to face the scrutiny of a QS9000 audit? Because the auditor might raise an eyebrow? I don't think so. His job is to audit within the scope of registration. If other parts of my business are not within the scope, his OPINION on its impact on my business is none of his concern. It is an automotive standard and it will apply to all systems in our facility that fall under that scope. My Medical, Electronic, and General Industrial Business in NOT with that scope.
Keep in mind though, there will be parts of the QS system that will apply to things that go on everywhere here. For instance, automotive parts could run on any machine in the facility. Therefore, our Maintenance Program will not simply be relegated to machines that run automotive parts, but have to apply to all machines (also because such an endeavor will add value to the business as a whole).
As for having all of our parts and customers being governed by an QS9000 Quality System... there wouldn't be enough time in the day to perform PPAPs, feasibility studies, and all of the other paperwork and planning for the Department of Redundancy Department we all know and love as the "Automotive Group" and apply it to all of our business. We are talking tens of thousands of different custom parts for thousands of customers. We don't just make transmissions, dashboards, brakes... single or few product lines. Each new RFQ is another new product we are making for somebody.
I don't know if all of this rambling has done anything for you, but I tried. Quite frankly, I wouldn't even be discussing QS9000 if the "Auto Group" weren't MAKING us do it in order to keep existing business and possibly get new business with them.
What I find absolutely amazing is that, prior to the advent of QS9000, we supplied wonderful products to them. Now, our business is in jeopardy over what I believe to not only be a "Quality System" but an opportunity to generate revenue via Plexus, books and all kinds of crap from the AIAG that are required, charge-backs, EDI via THEIR systems and so on.
TPTB here believe it is all worth it.
ALM
ALM