PPAP Machine # in package ????

[JTuroldo]

Hope you can help- Do you know of anywhere it states I must add our machine numbers I run all my customer parts on?
I am pushing my Plant to do a PPAP layout on every part that runs on that machine - For example - Machine 36.589 590 561 all run part 355 so I have told the Plant Mgr. that all parts must be PPAP and a layout done per part that runs there. Just looking for where I can find that document if you know.

 

[optomist1]

off the top of my head, when you run your PDR/Run At Rate with customer it is a sure bet that he/she will note what parts are being run on exactly what machine(s), this is an integral part of the whole PPAP process, again it is important...a bit more changing machines and or operators to enhance the PDR and ultimately the PPAP is a no go. Once a successful PDR/PPAP is achieved, changing machines requires a degree of consultation with your customer and may require a re-validation run. The document "may be found" in AIAG, or IATF or your CSR, Customer Specific Requirements....beyond all the above it just makes sound process control QA, Mfg sense, knowing what parts were made on what machine(s), shift, etc is key...

hope this helps...
optomist1

 

[Scanton]

If (like mine) the customer asks for it, it makes it a “Customer Requirement” and has to be done.
I have been supplying PPAP’s for over a decade and if I run the same component on three machines my customer is expecting a PPAP per machine, as there is information within those documents that relate to the machine itself like capability analysis, run at rate, part submission warrant etc.
Now in some instance these machines are identical (same make, model and even purchased at the same time) however I still am still required to supply the information that relates to each machine.

 

[Golfman25]

It is not specifically stated in the PPAP manuals. However, most companies view it as part of change control -- meaning a change of machine is a process change and must go thru the appropriate approvals. IMO, it is entirely dependent on your process. For us we are a tooling dominate process and the machine makes little to zero difference, thus it's generally a waste of time. Good luck.

 

[JTuroldo]

Thank you for all the great information - If anyone finds a document that states it would love it. But I agree with all of your responses as I have always done it the correct way to ensure no RISK to the Customer - I have over 30 years in and am just curious if a document did contain this information.