PPAP Purpose And Benefits - What is the purpose of PPAP Submission?

Howard Atkins

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Re: PPAP Purpose And Benefits

As u say

Is it correct that PPAP & APQP reduces reduction?

If it is right mail me tools & procedure required for that.
The idea is that if you have planned the part and the process then the learning curve will be very short.
This means an automatic saving of initial costs, this is a result of the APQP, not the PPAP which just documents the work done.
There are a number of attachments here (http://elsmar.com/Forums/fileslist.php?mode=allfiles&sortby=forum&pageamt=6) about APQP but essentially APQP is a road map for project management.
Cover the topics in the list.
 
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Howard Atkins

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When you do something you document the action, how you document is your choice.
If you do not do it then it will cost you money!
 

Ajit Basrur

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Agree with Howard. The level of documentation can be varied based on organisational requirements. In fact, most people get scared of documentation without understanding its worth.

Documentation makes the system transparent.
 
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loraine - 2010

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im quite new and not very familiar with PPAP. My question is, can we issue a quality notice to our supplier when they said that the rejected parts were part of the ppap samples?

please advice. thanx.
 

Howard Atkins

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Welcome
If the parts were submitted as PPAP samples but are not compliant with requirements then you reject the PPAP.
This is more effective that sending a complaint

Does this help?
 
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spalomino - 2010

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PPAP signed samples necessarily do not reflect the product being produced. During the Launch stage, we submit PPAP information to our customer for dimensional approval and AAR. In my field (plastics), processes tend to change, for that reason, we request boundary samples from our customer in order to establish a better criteria; these samples are taken during the initial 30 days of production . This helps your boss stop making references to what the PPAP samples look like. It is a way to establish a robust criteria in your production floor.
 

Howard Atkins

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PPAP signed samples necessarily do not reflect the product being produced. During the Launch stage, we submit PPAP information to our customer for dimensional approval and AAR. In my field (plastics), processes tend to change, for that reason, we request boundary samples from our customer in order to establish a better criteria; these samples are taken during the initial 30 days of production . This helps your boss stop making references to what the PPAP samples look like. It is a way to establish a robust criteria in your production floor.
Welcome to the cove

The samples that you describe are not PPAP samples rather as you say a dialog between customer and supplier

You sign on the following declaration on the warrant
I hereby affirm that the samples represented by this warrant are representative of our parts which were made by a process that meets all Production Part Approval Process Manual 4th Edition Requirements. I further affirm that these samples were produced at the production rate of X\Yhours. I also certify that documented evidence of such compliance is on file and available for review. I have noted any deviations from the declaration below.
 
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loraine - 2010

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im sorry. the samples were NOT the PPAP samples, but the samples before the PPAP approval...so can i issue a quality notice?

thank you all for your replies.
 

Howard Atkins

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im sorry. the samples were NOT the PPAP samples, but the samples before the PPAP approval...so can i issue a quality notice?

thank you all for your replies.
You can do what ever you wish, but first try to decide what you actually want and what you actions will achieve.
If these were samples and there were problems with them, what will you achieve by sending a complaint (I understand "quality notice" as complaint)
To send feedback as to what was wrong with them and requests for improvements is the best way to go as you want to try and build a good working relationship with your suppliers.

I always believe that the velvet glove should be used before the iron fist
 
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