PPAP requirements - Supplier's supplier's quality certificate and IMDS documentation

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TedCambron

#21
I agree

JSW05 said:
Just as you should not believe a tiger who claims to be a vegetarian because there is ample empirical evidence of carnivorous behavior on the part of tigers, you shouldn't expect the Big 3 to make sense in their dealings with suppliers, regardless of what they say.
Yes, I agree.
 
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IEGeek - 2006

#22
I would like to determine something...

What exactly are you trying to get assistance with?

Are you trying to garner more information to pass on to others in an effort to persuade them from experts?

Are you trying to wrap your brain around lost business to an non registered foreign competitor?

Are you trying to determine if you (your company) can skirt the registration issue due to costs or internal structure maybe?

Are you trying to find out if other companies have not been registered and still been awarded B3 business?


I have read through this thread from beginning to end a few times in an effort to understand fully what you are trying to accomplish. While it is difficult to read into inflection and tone through an electronic medium such as this or email, I sense a lot of anger and even some hostility towards those that are trying to help you. We have all been known to use the Cove as a place to rant about our jobs, customers, bosses, registrars, co-workers etc. and it is very therapeutic to hear from other folks that experienced the same thing or even those who offer advice, humor and possible solutions to help diffuse the situation.

Please let us know how we can HELP.

Just some thoughts....
 
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IEGeek - 2006

#23
JSW05 said:
so if a maneating tiger comes to your door and you let it in based on its claims to be a vegetarian, you can hardly blame the tiger when it starts chomping on your leg.

I love this, can I use it?
 
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TedCambron

#26
Too sensitive

IEGeek said:
I would like to determine something...

What exactly are you trying to get assistance with?

Are you trying to garner more information to pass on to others in an effort to persuade them from experts?

Are you trying to wrap your brain around lost business to an non registered foreign competitor?

Are you trying to determine if you (your company) can skirt the registration issue due to costs or internal structure maybe?

Are you trying to find out if other companies have not been registered and still been awarded B3 business?


I have read through this thread from beginning to end a few times in an effort to understand fully what you are trying to accomplish. While it is difficult to read into inflection and tone through an electronic medium such as this or email, I sense a lot of anger and even some hostility towards those that are trying to help you. We have all been known to use the Cove as a place to rant about our jobs, customers, bosses, registrars, co-workers etc. and it is very therapeutic to hear from other folks that experienced the same thing or even those who offer advice, humor and possible solutions to help diffuse the situation.

Please let us know how we can HELP.

Just some thoughts....
You must be kidding.

I've noticed that here at the cove you either get it or you don't. For instance, the first post is what the thread is all about but I would have to believe that everyone is intellegent enough to know that. I also believe that some people would rather post just to read it themselves with no positive input. Yet others seem to grasp it and put it in a way that you know they experienced it or know all about it.
I know most people don't want to be confused with the facts but I believe most people are becoming so sensitive it's difficult to get a point across with out taking into considering how the next person feels.
 
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tarheels4 - 2007

#27
TedCambron said:
You must be kidding.

I also believe that some people would rather post just to read it themselves with no positive input.
Ha ha! That is funny. But true. Maybe I fit into that category. Thank you for helping me to understand myself :yes: .
 

Ron Rompen

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#29
I think we've all lost sight of the original post. So, let me try and get it back on track.

I've run into exactly the same thing; Ford mandated supplier information all the way down the chain (in this case I am Tier III, and info went all the way down to Tier V).

To give one specific example (steel): when I submitted by PPAP to the Tier II, I included a Lvl 3 PPAP submission from my steel supplier (Tier IV), and required that the original mill certification (Tier V) AND material analysis from a registered lab accompany that PPAP.

I also requested by supplier create an IMDS entry for the specific grade of material purchased.

The above steps were 'rolled out' to all our suppliers; and ALL were able to comply (with a little bit of coaxing and training on IMDS for some). Now, it's an easy task; when I am preparing my IMDS submission to the Tier I or II, I already have all the supplier info ready for me, and I just have to link it all up.....an hours work at most (on a good day, if the system isn't too busy).

Is it necessary? Yes, because the customer wants it.....not that there is (yet) any governmental requirement for NA vehicles to comply.

Spend a little bit of time preparing the groundwork for this task, and in the long run you'll find it pays off.
 
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TedCambron

#30
Oh my gosh!

Ron Rompen said:
I think we've all lost sight of the original post. So, let me try and get it back on track.

I've run into exactly the same thing; Ford mandated supplier information all the way down the chain (in this case I am Tier III, and info went all the way down to Tier V).

To give one specific example (steel): when I submitted by PPAP to the Tier II, I included a Lvl 3 PPAP submission from my steel supplier (Tier IV), and required that the original mill certification (Tier V) AND material analysis from a registered lab accompany that PPAP.

I also requested by supplier create an IMDS entry for the specific grade of material purchased.

The above steps were 'rolled out' to all our suppliers; and ALL were able to comply (with a little bit of coaxing and training on IMDS for some). Now, it's an easy task; when I am preparing my IMDS submission to the Tier I or II, I already have all the supplier info ready for me, and I just have to link it all up.....an hours work at most (on a good day, if the system isn't too busy).

Is it necessary? Yes, because the customer wants it.....not that there is (yet) any governmental requirement for NA vehicles to comply.

Spend a little bit of time preparing the groundwork for this task, and in the long run you'll find it pays off.
That sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me. What did you do to deserve this? I was able to persuade the parties involved that it was a waist of time for repeated PPAP submissions and now everyone's happy. Especially my customer who thanked me for helping them save time and money.
 
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