PPAP Submission Package - Tier II supplier to a Tier I

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Bill Ryan - 2007

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As an organization/supplier you are required to submit/maintain a level 3 PPAP
I totally agree!!! I do maintain "Level 3" documentation, etc. The DFMEA is NOT an element of my "Level 3" as stated in I.2.2.4 of the PPAP manual (we are not "design responsible"). I guess I'm saying that I agree with my customers when they say I don't need an "exception" procured, because it is their DFMEA.


Failure to have this documentation constitutes a nonconformance.
I disagree, totally and I don't see how an auditor could even think of writing it up as one.

As far as "badgering" my customers for something I know they are not going to give me, I don't believe in it. There are times when being too "anal" with a customer gets in the way of forming, or can ruin, a "productive relationship".

Sorry. I don't mean to make this into an attack. IMO, as long as the B3 and Tier 1s (and even some of my Tier 2s) keep bastardi*ing standards and moving "the target", we suppliers don't stand much of a chance.

Bill
 
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JaySturgeon

#12
Thanks for all the input.

Thanks Mike...

I totally agree with you. Badgering a customer is like arguing with an auditor. Futile exercise.

Thanks to all for your input. It is helpful to see how others view a situation.

So bottom line:
Do I use the templates I have made for those items I don’t have or am I better off to do what I’ve been doing and leave them out? Thinking, based on all the input, of leaving them out. Just do not want to get this submission rejected.
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Bill Ryan - 2007

#14
I might suggest using the templates. That way your customer sees that you have, at least, considered all the "missings".

Bill
 
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Chemman

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Tier 2 supplier, not design responsible, and do not receive DFMEA despite all requests. We write the PFMEA to the best of our knowledge of the product and in consideration of designated characteristics on the drawing. While we have instructed our R&D group not to do so (not 9001), often they are asked to write the DFMEA for the customer for our product! We do not provide the PFMEA in the PPAP submission, but provide a statement that it is proprietary to our process and is available for review with customers. I have many trips to the customer for a 1 hr meeting only to fly back after meeting with SQEs that knew nothing about what you where talking about.

Chemman
 
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