PPAP Submissions for Thermoplastic Resins (Bulk Material)

C

Carol I

#1
Hello,
I hope this is the correct thread for a related PSW question - if not, please redirect me. :)

I am fairly new to the automotive industry, and I am working on several PPAP submissions for thermoplastic resins (bulk material). My company has been reluctant to provide any information in the PPAP packages, and informs customers that they do not have to provide this info since we are supplying bulk rather than parts. The standard PSW that they have been providing customers has all of the submission levels, as well as the declaration, crossed out, and claims that they do not apply to bulk. Naturally customers are not happy with this, and are demanding at least a Level 3 submission.
It's my understanding that we need to provide the PSW or at least a bulk requirements checklist, and that the customer is the one who determines what level of submission they require. I am at an impasse between the customer's request and my company's policy. What exactly is implied by the term "warrant" in the PSW? Does checking a submission level bind us to all the requirements of the PPAP manual?

Thanks for any insight you can provide.
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor

Howard Atkins

Forum Administrator
Leader
Admin
#2
Carol,
These are issues that should be agreed with the customer basically at the review of customer requirements (contract review ) stage.
Is your company TS certified? If so then you must provide PPAP as per the customer requirements or in an audit face a non conformance.
If the material is specified by the customers customer then you could refer to this approval

7.3.6.3 Product approval process
The organization shall conform to a product and manufacturing process approval procedure recognized by the
customer.
In the end if the customer does not get what he wants he will probably go elsewhere
 
C

Carol I

#3
Thanks Howard!
Yes we are TS registered, so the standard reference you provided is very helpful. Our resin is usually not specified by the customer's customer (or OEM).
There is a lack of understanding here of the warrant itself, and the checkoff of the submission level. It seems that this checkoff is only an indication of what our customer requested to be submitted in the PPAP package (samples, data, etc.) and is not binding to the requirements of the PPAP manual. However the declaration would be the section that states the supplier's commitment to the requirements of the manual. Is that accurate?
 
T

TShepherd

#4
Morning Carol I,

I too work for a Thermost Molding Company that provides product to the Automotive sector that is from Bulk material.

Everything that you have been told so far is accurate to my understanding, additionally you may want to consider the AIAG manual as a loose guidline - but the OEM's will tell you what they want, and are sometimes forced to request additional information due to government regulation.

It is difficult to get certifications from many bulk material suppliers (many of whom are overseas) as this requirement is being made more often and the customer will go someplace else if you don't or can't get it.. Many bulk suppliers are getting wise to this and are charging an additional fee to certify the material.

The Warrant (PSW) is your guarantee to the customer that everything in your PPAP submission is true and accurate - this is a legal document that can be used in a court of law to determine liability in the event of something going wrong with the part in the field.

Your PPAP when signed off by the customer means that they are taking a certain amount of liability for your process including materials which makes them look more closely - I would reference the issue between Ford Motor Company and Firstone years ago.

Wait until you get to the IMDS submissions - The OEM's are now demanding IMDS submissions for materials used in the process but not part of the final vehicle - like a simple shipping sleeve that is discarded after assembly - due to government regulation. just try and remember regardless of the anyone says including the AIAG - Customer requirements are just that - requirements - and your companies view is becoming less tolerant than in the past.

Good Luck,

Tom :2cents:
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
V PPAP Workbooks - Tool to help me organize my PPAP submissions APQP and PPAP 3
A PSO & PPAP Which one? Chrysler Submissions Customer and Company Specific Requirements 6
Z Are PPAP Submissions required to be in English? PPAP Language APQP and PPAP 6
J Machine issue in Cpk/Ppk and Control Plan - PPAP Submissions APQP and PPAP 5
antoine.dias Customer Specific Requirements and PPAP submissions APQP and PPAP 13
C PPAP submissions - Cookie Cutter GR&R's Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 2
D Destructive Testing with respect to PPAP submissions APQP and PPAP 4
Ashland78 PPAP required for repair of machine? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
M Is PPAP suitable for Inhouse parts? Manufacturing and Related Processes 4
K Level 1 PPAP Submission APQP and PPAP 11
M Aftermarket product PPAP approval IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 1
S PPAP- (When to issue ECN,ECR & PCN ,PCR) APQP and PPAP 2
C PPAP requirements for consumer product APQP and PPAP 2
L PPAP for reagents, biologicals APQP and PPAP 0
M Signed PSW directly to End customer, Tier 1 wants their own PPAP IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 6
A PPAP Alternate Equipment IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 10
O PPAP'ed part manufacturer has discontinued production Elsmar Cove Forum Suggestions, Complaints, Problems and Bug Reports 7
D What does a level 1 (PSW) PPAP actually promise? APQP and PPAP 19
R PPAP Requirements for Tool Repair or Refurbishment APQP and PPAP 5
abrego44 AIAG PPAP manual for service part APQP and PPAP 5
A PPAP question for audit APQP and PPAP 17
G PPAP for Chemical Products APQP and PPAP 4
T Re-PPAP after updating CMM program? Manufacturing and Related Processes 9
J Supplier not responding to PPAP request APQP and PPAP 5
J Part submission warrant for Level 1 PPAP APQP and PPAP 1
K Should APQP/PPAP has its own section in a QM? Quality Management System (QMS) Manuals 1
B Toyota PPAP Process - Three Questions APQP and PPAP 5
G Supplier delivered recent PPAP, should he deliver yearly layout inspection? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 7
F How to submit a PPAP when a subcontractor is the sole manufacturer IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
P PPAP samples retention time IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
K Updated MSA with the Annual PPAP validations APQP and PPAP 8
P Managing How PPAP Requirements are Communicated in the Manufacturing Process and to Suppliers APQP and PPAP 5
E Annual PPAP+ deviation request ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 4
K OEM specific requirements - PPAP was rejected by STA Customer and Company Specific Requirements 5
T PPAP for distributors? APQP and PPAP 1
A PPAP for Fire extinguisher APQP and PPAP 2
S PPAP Progress - Visual Status Board APQP and PPAP 0
C AS9145 Appendix D PPAP Approval Form APQP and PPAP 2
Pau Calvo PPAP customer requirements in the APQP APQP and PPAP 25
V 3 PQ lots mentioned as requirement in PPAP. Is this necessary? APQP and PPAP 2
B What is the role of Quality Engineer in APQP and PPAP APQP and PPAP 3
F How to submit PPAP without IMDS APQP and PPAP 10
GreatNate Excel PPAP Tracking templates or tool wanted APQP and PPAP 1
M Where can I find examples of PPAP? APQP and PPAP 6
R Process Specification - What is the name of this PPAP form? APQP and PPAP 15
I PPAP Assembly and Components Manufacturing and Related Processes 3
F PPAP Documentation Control APQP and PPAP 8
K PPAP Phases Vs PPAP Levels APQP and PPAP 2
R Plan to Volvo Cars for capacity verification in Phase 3 of PPAP Customer and Company Specific Requirements 3
G Job interview - So I have to do a presentation on PPAP APQP and PPAP 16

Similar threads

Top Bottom