PPAP- (When to issue ECN,ECR & PCN ,PCR)

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I am a supplier to one of the leading electronic consumer product manufacturing company. We are basically following our customer for procuring and using the raw materials (plastics) for our production. If the customer is allowing us to get a second source for our raw material procurement, do i need to issue the ECR,ECN or PCR,PCN and submit a whole new PPAP using the newly procured material (although the grade and contents are the same?)
 
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Good day @Spareme ;
What does the customer supplier handbook (and/or contract) require?

Also...regardless of the customer, a material change is (can be) a BIG deal. Regardless of what the customer is requesting, would not your organization want to...
- Prove out/ensure the material change?
- Clearly communicate and document with the customer and within change point control in order to limit exposure to your organization if there is a problem down stream?

"same" grade and content (in most materials...especially metals), is a misnomer when it comes to changing supply sources.

Be selfish. Do what is best for your organization...(and ensure the customer requirements are met and the customer is well communicated to).

My counsel.

Hope this helps.
Be well.
 
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Ditto - do whatever the Supplier Quality Manual tells you do to. Make sure you keep copies of those customer notifications. Do not rely on the buyer telling you over the phone or in an email that you don't need to complete forms, in the event there is any issue down the road, or you get audited, you want to have documentation that the customer was notified, and responded. I've been burned by "assurances" in the past.
Good luck!
 
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