President auditing - How can president audit when he is in charge of everything?

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dbulak

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Our company president has been trained as an internal auditor. Someone asked me the question "how can he audit when he is in charge of all the people in the company?" My reply was that he is auditing the ISO standard and not directly the people. Am I correct? Would we be open to a third party auditors corrective action for having the president audit? Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Bill Ryan - 2007

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I'm answering without much contemplation here ("shooting from the hip").

Your post knocked my socks off!! What better way for "management" to have a clue as to what is going on on the floor. The only drawback I can see is that he/she may be "on a mission" occasionally (is he/she a "good" auditor?) but then again any auditor can fall into that once in a while. I think I would laugh at an auditor that had anything negative to say about a president doing internal auditing.
 

DannyK

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President Auditor

As long as the President is not auditing his own work, there is no reason why he should not be able to audit.

It is quite refreshing to see a President auditing.

It may be an opportunity to see how good his/her employees are working.

Danny
 
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Jim Howe

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Well, our president does not do audits but our Exec. VP is intimately involved in all of my internal audits. In fact she lends a degree of authority to the whole procedure. Managers really prepare in order to please her. When the audit entails going to the shop floor she puts on her uniform shirt, safety glasses, ear plugs and yes, even her steel toe safety shoes! When the audit summary is presented to the exec. committee she is the presenter!
Quite a refreshing approach. :cool:
 
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ralphsulser

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I think this is a genuine commitment by top management involvement in the quality system. Real refreshing. I best the CARs get attention and answered "without undue delay" too. This persident should be a role model for all companies. :applause:
 
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AllanJ

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dbulak said:
Our company president has been trained as an internal auditor. Someone asked me the question "how can he audit when he is in charge of all the people in the company?" My reply was that he is auditing the ISO standard and not directly the people. Am I correct? Would we be open to a third party auditors corrective action for having the president audit? Any help would be appreciated!
If a President/ CEO wants to perform an audit, let him/her. An audit is a fact finding exercise. It gets the auditor to the place where actual tasks are performed. Effective MBWA can come close to auditing. And, is it not tedious for someone to question the President's "independence"? The buck has to stop somewhere and the President is not a bad place (of course, the Board would be even better?) ;) Considering what it costs in auditee time, I would far rather the President regularly got out to audit than have a registrar come in. It is far more motivating for the Q Prog et al.

And to that original questioner asking, "how can he...", please, get a life! More to the point of Presidents, "How can he/ she NOT!"
 

Randy

Super Moderator
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You're right...it's an audit of the system, not the people. People's activities are just a component of the system.

As a 3rd party type auditor I would not only accept this as evidence of committment and involvement, but also something worthy of an observation comment.

You need this guy needs to be asked to write an article about why he does this.

Hooo Rah!
 

SteelMaiden

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I wish more top managers would audit. My last division had lots of buy in problems until each manager (right up to the top dawg) took an audit class and signed up for 1 year minimum audit committment. We had several ask to stay with the team after their year was up. Boy, what a difference it made to our system. Now, I'm told that management doesn't have time to go take an auditor class, they have other higher level things to do. :nope:
 

Hershal

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dbulak said:
Our company president has been trained as an internal auditor. Someone asked me the question "how can he audit when he is in charge of all the people in the company?" My reply was that he is auditing the ISO standard and not directly the people. Am I correct? Would we be open to a third party auditors corrective action for having the president audit? Any help would be appreciated!
When I was at Newport, I had three VPs and several senior Managers on the IA team for the Corporate HQ. I discovered that we had much more in depth audits that provided information that was very relevant to the business operations. i also discovered that Management Review was taken much more seriously.

Don't worry about the registrar auditor. If you take a CAR for it, contact the registrar's Executives and request a new one that actually understands what he is doing. Then file a complaint with the registrar and their accrediting body.

Hershal
 
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