Principles of Auditing ISO 9001:2015

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Marc

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The second link is fixed. The original post that started this thread contained material directly copied from the listed links so it will not be restored.

However, this stuff is so basic, and so general, that the same stuff can be found on hundreds of internet sites these days.

It is very difficult to make a truly original writeup on topics such as auditing these days. Even when I did my presentation about auditing in the 1990's, I borrowed heavily from multiple sources. The really is only so much one can say since the basics are the same.

In the post above which was replaced with the links above we found that almost all of it was a direct copy/paste of information from the links. As such it would have been blatant copyright infringement - So we posted the links to the originators. It's not a bad writeup, it's just nothing new. You'll find much of the same stuff in the "Auditing" writeup here, the Powerpoint file for which is downloadable here (the file name is: Internal Audit Guide M.pptx) for free. I put that together back around 1996-1997 during the QS-9000 days and it has all the same stuff. Auditing hasn't changed much over the years.
 

LUV-d-4UM

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The second link is fixed. The original post that started . I put that together back around 1996-1997 during the QS-9000 days and it has all the same stuff. Auditing hasn't changed much over the years.
I am always interested to know what novel ideas in auditing are published out there that I can collate with my information. I agree the information is very basic. Thank you for directing me back to the Auditing link.
 

Marc

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You are correct, of course. Good writeup - Thanks for the link and sharing!

There is also the issue of some standard(s) and sector specific aspects as well, e.g. automotive vs. aerospace. I really should have mentioned that in my post above. But all in all the basics haven't changed much.
 

Paul Simpson

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In the 'people helping people' spirit - here is an article I published in my role as an Associate for Bywater Excel who do a lot of internal and external auditor training.

The idea of using new graduates to audit the management system is not new - I've suggested it many times before.

Interested in your thoughts.
 

Mike S.

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Paul,

Interesting idea. It may work in some places with certain work cultures, but I do not think it would work in most of the places I have worked.

In my world, internal auditors need to have some credibility, gained by having successfully spent some time in their job and having gained some understanding of the people, the culture, and the organization.

A deeper understanding QMS standards is not accomplished overnight. I think it takes some time, learning them from an academic perspective as well as living under them in one’s job.

I also think a new, wet-behind-the-ears graduate as auditor would be given a hard time by the auditees, perhaps even if they had valid findings. The result may be a bad experience for the auditor and auditees as well.

Having said that, if the “new” person has, say, a year experience in their job, is respected and seen as at least adequate, and has themselves witnessed audits and/or been audited, they may be a great candidate. One my best auditors is a person like that, and better than many of the auditors with much more experience.

JMHO.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Interested in your thoughts.
The idea, as most, have many pros and cons.

The biggest challenge, I see, is the fact that people with very little work experience has a very limited understanding of business/organizational processes and would be hard pressed to assess if practices being presented are effective or not.

Even seasoned professionals have a tough time assessing business processes they are unfamiliar (and uncomfortable) with. The situation would only be magnified for auditors with limited working experience.
 
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