Process Flow Chart Template example

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Anthonyl

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Hi guys,:eek:
I was being nosey and looked at the completed example of your process flow. You detail a torque as a special characteristic, but do not include the Nm. I got pulled by our auditor for this some years back and was told that I should have included the measurement.
Maybe our auditor was being particularly finnicky that day but I could not get him to change his mind so just to make sure I include it in my control plans, process charts, WI's and job cards nowadays. (belt and braces):tg:
 

Jim Wynne

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Newton metre, lbsft etc force distance europeans tah!:rolleyes:
Of course you meant Newton meter :notme::D. Thanks for the clarification, and back to the topic: There should be no need to put measurement values in a process flowchart; that's what the control plan is for.
 
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Anthonyl

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Thanks for answering on my behalf Alan - We only work a half day on a Friday. :cool:

I argued that we did not need the reading on the process flow map but for whatever reason, unknown to anyone here, our auditor wanted to see it on the map. At the time he argued that as we stated that there was a measurement then we should detail it. I should add that this was on an ISO9000 audit, so it was some time ago and in fact the auditor has parted from this mortal coil now.

Jim - Is there a clause that gives reference to your case? I cannot think of one but maybe I'm having a senior moment.
 

Jim Wynne

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Thanks for answering on my behalf Alan - We only work a half day on a Friday. :cool:

I argued that we did not need the reading on the process flow map but for whatever reason, unknown to anyone here, our auditor wanted to see it on the map. At the time he argued that as we stated that there was a measurement then we should detail it. I should add that this was on an ISO9000 audit, so it was some time ago and in fact the auditor has parted from this mortal coil now.

Jim - Is there a clause that gives reference to your case? I cannot think of one but maybe I'm having a senior moment.
There is nothing in TS16949 or the AIAG APQP manual that prescribes a format for process flow diagrams. My own opinion is that most of the ones I see (including the ones posted in this thread, frankly) are too complicated and include too much information. A basic block diagram showing the operations in order of execution is sufficient. Like I said, the details are in the control plan, so why do it twice? Of course, customer requirements will rule in all cases, so if your customers have specific formats, you'll have to use them.
 
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