Process & Product Characteristic in Control Plan

mlshim88

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#1
Is it ok that to leave it blank if does not have process or product characteristic in control plan ?
If there is process characteristics, is it a MUST to have evaluation/measurement technique even though it does not hv any gauge/tool/fixture that undergo MSA study ?
 
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mlshim88

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#3
As the control plan is needed to list out all the processes. Some processes may not hv product/process char. As such, is it ok can leave it blank ?
 

Thee Bouyyy

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#4
As the control plan is needed to list out all the processes. Some processes may not hv product/process char. As such, is it ok can leave it blank ?
Till now no one questioned us for the same during the audit. We have written the justification in the column of product/process characteristics that why it is not possible. Don't keep it as blank. Write something there so that auditor have crystal clear view about the subject.
 

Sebastian

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#5
Process can't exists without process characteristic.
It comes from PFMEA.
You don't have any there, so you've wasted a time.
It deserve clearly issuing NC, as control plan is not for process listing, but listing of controls implemented to mitigate risks identified during PFMEA.
Purpose of flow chart is process listing.
 

mlshim88

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#7
Till now no one questioned us for the same during the audit. We have written the justification in the column of product/process characteristics that why it is not possible. Don't keep it as blank. Write something there so that auditor have crystal clear view about the subject.
Agreed. Thx for response.
 

mlshim88

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#8
1. In IATF perspective, is there any concern to leave it blank in evaluation/measurement technique if there is process characteristic in control plan ?
2. Also, if the product characteristic is mold visual defect, is it a must to perform MSA if evaluation/measurement technique is visual ?
 

Ron Rompen

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#9
If you list a characteristic on the control plan, then you must have an evaluation/measurement method for it. Otherwise, you are not controlling it.

For visual defects, yes, you should perform an MSA - you might be surprised on how effective (or ineffective) it is. I know that I was when I did it the first time.
 

mlshim88

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#10
Hi,

This is what i thought. However, i was told by IATF auditor that process char. not necessary to hv evaluation/measurement technique as not all process char. have tbe MSA. If put something in the column with no MSA, it will be NC.

Pls share yr thought.
 
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