Definition Product Audit vs. Dock Audit vs. Layout Audit - Differences

A

anumeya

#21
Dear Sir, Do we have a check sheet for injection molding process audit and product audit. if available pl.
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor
G

gstewart

#22
This is one of the occasions where there is a real difference between English and American.
By definition an audit cannot be a routine inspection, cannot be in the normal flow of production otherwise it is not an audit but part of the normal production.
If you only check a random sample of a shipment or a production batch, I think it can still be called an "audit" even if it is done routinely.
Ie you are not checking every individual product.

A dock audit can sometimes be analogous to a final audit. If a factory made one part and shipped it daily, it would be easy to combine the two.

Car companies talk about Layout Audits, or Layout Inspections. ( Its another made up term like they are fond of ). Very similar to product audits , they are supposed to be a total check against the drawing . However the layout inspections raise many questions. Do you include all performance requirements. ie destructive tests?, durability tests? material tests ( that may not be verifiable on the finished product )? Fitment tests?

Depending on the product you could also claim that a comprehensive final inspection fits the needs of a "product audit".
 

Manoj Mathur

Quite Involved in Discussions
#23
Injection Molding is a process while Dock Audit, Process Audit, layout Inspection etc are system audits. These system could be applied to any specific process like Press Shop or Injection Molding.
 
#24
Injection Molding is a process while Dock Audit, Process Audit, layout Inspection etc are system audits. These system could be applied to any specific process like Press Shop or Injection Molding.
I'm not sure a "dock" audit can be considered a "system" audit, if it looks at product and packaging! It's only looking at the output of the processes - not a system of processes. Same with a process audit and layout inspection (which has nothing to do with system audits). A system audit covers multiple processes - for example, from receipt of a customer inquiry to packaging/shipping, via engineering, manufacturing etc.
 
Last edited:
#25
What is the exact requirement of Product audit in manufacturing industry. Only operation wise inspection is sufficient or any check points to be identified. Please guide me. If any body have a excel sheet format for the same please share with me. Thanks.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#26
What is the exact requirement of Product audit in manufacturing industry. Only operation wise inspection is sufficient or any check points to be identified. Please guide me. If any body have a excel sheet format for the same please share with me. Thanks.
There is no "exact requirement" except for those of your customer(s) and your own company. In automotive work, a product audit generally involves following the control plan through the entire process and verifying that a given product is being processed in accordance with the requirements. This assumes that customer requirements are addressed in the control plan.
 
#27
Thanks Jim for the clarification. But which parameters needs to consider in product audit? Only inspecting the parameters as per control plan is sufficient or other parameters needs to check. Please comment on the same.
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#28
Thanks Jim for the clarification. But which parameters needs to consider in product audit? Only inspecting the parameters as per control plan is sufficient or other parameters needs to check. Please comment on the same.
Please see the first sentence in the post you replied to. Notwithstanding customer requirements, it's up to you.
 
#29
Actually product inspection is checking parameters either thing is to fulfill your specification or not simply, when you have an owner of a garments factory and you have to produce a brand level garments product how you can measure the parameters. Off Corse, you can measure the specification through inspection which is called Product Quality Inspections services.
 
#30
Re: Different between Product/Dock/Layout Audit



Yes it's similar. The difference is that with a dock audit, it is a last chance audit to verify customer specific requirements are met. This audit could include dimensional, packaging methods, count accuracy, bar code labeling requirements, etc. We sometimes use dock audits to verify corrective action effectiveness and also as a short term containment plan for corrective action.

Isocyanate, the following would be my definitions of the terms you listed without knowing the application or field that you are in.

Product Audit: In process inspection that inspectors or the operators perform periodically throughout their production run to ensure continued compliance to the print or to meet statistical requirements. The control plan or part specific inspection instructions usually are used to dictate how many pieces to check and at what frequency. This is not 100% dimensional inspection; only a few critical dimensions.

Dock Audit: Sometimes categorized as a product audit, but in a nutshell is a last chance verification to customer specific requirements as described above response to JaneB. Typically, the quantity of parts is dictated by an AQL level or percentage of the total shipment. The frequency of inspection could be each shipment or if on a skip lot plan, could be every 5 or 10 shipments. This is also not 100% dimensional verification (if any at all); only key dimensions.

Layout Audit: Never heard this called an audit, but I am assuming you are talking about the first article inspection. Some call it Initial Sample Inspection Report (ISIR), some call it Pre-Production Approval Process (PPAP), and some call it First Article Inspection (FAI). All of these are typically a 100% inspection on one or more pieces. This data, along with other manufacturing information, material traceability, etc is sent to the customer for approval before production can begin. Some customers require periodic re-verification annually to ensure that your processes are still in check.


Hope this has been of some help to you.
for the dock audit, how the sample size is determined, can we use acceptance sampling plans tables for it
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
U Dock Audits - Isn't waiting to do an audit when the product is "supposed" to ship a little late? Manufacturing and Related Processes 12
D Dock Audit (Product Audits and Process Audits) database wanted Quality Assurance and Compliance Software Tools and Solutions 20
Q Dock Audit - Reasons to do dimensional checks during product dock audit Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 5
S QS-9000 Clause 4.10.4.2 - Final Product Audit vs. Dock Audit QS-9000 - American Automotive Manufacturers Standard 6
M Dock Audits - 4.10.4.2 Final Product Audit QS-9000 - American Automotive Manufacturers Standard 4
N Audit non-compliance API Q1 - Use of External Documents 4.4.4 in Product Realization Oil and Gas Industry Standards and Regulations 4
F Product audit sampling plans IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
G Addressing Non-Conformances from an Internal Audit that are not product related ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 11
D What are the important things to keep track of in product audit checklist? Software Quality Assurance 3
B Is it necessary to conduct product audit of entire product which is manufactured in the company as per IATF IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
Q IATF 16949 - Product audit - Must each product be audited? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 6
W Product Audit - It must be a separate and distinct activity (IATF 16949) IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
S IATF 16949 - Manufacturing and Product Audit Approach IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 19
B TS16949 Section 8.2.2.3 Product Audit - Requirements for various Customers IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 10
K Please share a Product Audit Checklist for a Wafer Fab Document Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 3
Q Internal Audit of Product Quality Complaint System (21 CFR Part 820) Customer Complaints 9
C TS16949: Product Audit vs. "Regular Checks" Internal Auditing 1
P May I combine the Process Audit and Product Audit into Delphi's LSR? Customer and Company Specific Requirements 3
J Questionable Audit Finding about Revision Levels of Product Manual CD's ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 7
C Requirement for NB audit with Discontinued Product EU Medical Device Regulations 3
J Product and Process Audit according to ISO/TS 16949:2009 Process Audits and Layered Process Audits 9
S Supplier Audit Questionnaire for aerospace product suppliers AS9100, IAQG 9100, Nadcap and related Aerospace Standards and Requirements 1
C Anvisa Manufacturer Audit - Product produced at two different Sites Other Medical Device Regulations World-Wide 3
W Definition Product Audit - Definition Definitions, Acronyms, Abbreviations and Interpretations Listed Alphabetically 2
O Product Audit for Rubber Parts for Automotive Industry IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
Q How to Audit the Client Quality System - Product Failure caused by no Maintenance ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 3
L EN 45011 (European Standard for Product Certification) Audit Checklist needed Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 3
A Non-Conforming Product vs. Supplier Audit Finding Supplier Quality Assurance and other Supplier Issues 8
Q Product Audit Check List according to VDA VDA Standards - Germany's Automotive Standards 1
A Seeking: documentation for intrinsically safe product audit General Auditing Discussions 6
A How to calculate the Effectiveness of the Process and Product Audit System Internal Auditing 10
michellemmm Software Product Development Quality Assurance (PDQA) Audit Checklists Software Quality Assurance 12
Q Product Characterization Audit - What is "Characterization" IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 7
R Product Audit Checklist according to ISO/TS 16949 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 24
Q What should be Audited in a Product Audit IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 14
harrysons Product Audit Checklist - Please give some advice or share your opinions Software Quality Assurance 8
A Product Audit - Traceability of Sand used Internal Auditing 8
B What is in a Product Audit? TS 16949 Clause 8.2.2.3 Process Audits and Layered Process Audits 21
K Help in meeting the requirements in 8.2.2.3 Product Audit of TS 16949 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
V Is Product Audit Mandatory as per ISO 13485? ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 19
somashekar Product audit for using the safety mark (ETL) on label Other Medical Device and Orthopedic Related Topics 2
Ajit Basrur Process and Product Audit format needed Process Audits and Layered Process Audits 1
R Product Audit Summary Form needed IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 5
B What is the full name of QKZ in product audit? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 8
H Product Audit - TS 16949 Clause 8.2.2.3 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 18
K Mock Audit Log Form Template for Product Recall/Return at Food Plant Document Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 8
P Product Audit looking at Conformity, not Effectiveness General Auditing Discussions 6
C Audit NonConformance - Evidence of Post Market Vigilance and Product Recall. ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 6
J AS9100 Clause 7.4.3 Verification of Purchased Product (audit Finding) AS9100, IAQG 9100, Nadcap and related Aerospace Standards and Requirements 30
Icy Mountain Product Audit Process Requirements - Clause 8.2.2.3 IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 35
Similar threads


















































Top Bottom