Pros and Cons of Combined TS 16949 and ISO 14001 Audits

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Teri - 2011

#1
I am sure I have seen this posted before, but can't find it thru the search, so I apologize ahead of time.

We are a TS2 and ISO 14000 registered company, up until now, we have kept the audits seperate. (same registrar, different auditors). We now have an auditor that can audit both systems at the same time.

What are the pros / cons to this? Anybody have experiences they would share?

Thanks.
 
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Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#2
Re: Combined audits

I am sure I have seen this posted before, but can't find it thru the search, so I apologize ahead of time.

We are a TS2 and ISO 14000 registered company, up until now, we have kept the audits seperate. (same registrar, different auditors). We now have an auditor that can audit both systems at the same time.

What are the pros / cons to this? Anybody have experiences they would share?

Thanks.

I do all dual certified clients together. There is no downside. Most of my clients have fully integrated their two systems so auditing them together is a further benefit. It assumes the auditor actually has experience in both standards and knows how to audit them together.

PS: you still have to meet the extra audit days required, of course. There is a reduction, but not completely.
 

Paul Simpson

Trusted Information Resource
#4
It depends!

Some Cons (as nobody else has posted)

Believe it or not there are some companies that try and lead an auditor away from areas where there are problems. :notme: That is more difficult if they are spending more time with you. ;)

You may get tired of the same anecdotes as s / he tells you the same stories about where they have been recently. :lol:

You lose the ability to play one auditor off against the other: "But Jo told us on the 14k audit that we had to do it this way!" :confused:

I'm sure there may be others - and there definitely are some pros as Helmut and Randy have posted.

It all comes down to how well you get on with the auditor that can do two schemes. If s / he can do both you are going to spend more time with them.
 
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