Putting First Pieces with Masters - Need opinions

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Mark Paul

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We are a tier one and two supplier to non-automotive customers. We deep draw stamp, laser cut, and weld items from small heat shields to parts of 3 cubic feet in size.

Problem: we are trying to arrange check fixtures, masters and 3 to 6 OP first piece parts all on one shelf with “CD Rack” separators. Currently the first pieces are kept separate from the masters but then no one looks at the masters because they are "out of the way" so they don't get mixed or damaged. Others want the Master parts separated because "if" they get damaged they become worthless.

What is the cove's thought of having check fixtures, “daily swapped” first pieces, and masters in one location, close to the shop floor, if we poke yoked the masters with a stripe of blue DYKEM?
Do you keep Masters separate or have them readily available?
 
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Hodgepodge

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Re: Need opinions of putting first pieces with Masters

The closer the masters are to the area they where they will actually be used the more likely they will get used. Keep it simple. Your Poke Yoke idea is a good idea.

Arguing that the masters may get damaged, IMO, is arguing that it is OK to not be careful. There could be a million reasons why the master must be handled differently or in a controlled area, but with the limited information you have given, it seems that the employees just need to take the time to handle the master correctly. In other words, they have to care.
 
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trainerbob

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Our experience was always that if the masters were readily available they got used. The least amount of effort needed by the production people to keep an eye on their quality the better off you are. If people have to go to too many places to make their checks they have a tendency to "eyeball" the quality checks and call it good.! We called it the "Human Factor" or "Human Nature". We always found that we accomplished more if we made the quality checks as easy for the operators as we could. It helped them and us be more effective and effecient. Carelessness is possible regardless of where things are.
 

Jim Wynne

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We are a tier one and two supplier to non-automotive customers. We deep draw stamp, laser cut, and weld items from small heat shields to parts of 3 cubic feet in size.

Problem: we are trying to arrange check fixtures, masters and 3 to 6 OP first piece parts all on one shelf with “CD Rack” separators. Currently the first pieces are kept separate from the masters but then no one looks at the masters because they are "out of the way" so they don't get mixed or damaged. Others want the Master parts separated because "if" they get damaged they become worthless.

What is the cove's thought of having check fixtures, “daily swapped” first pieces, and masters in one location, close to the shop floor, if we poke yoked the masters with a stripe of blue DYKEM?
Do you keep Masters separate or have them readily available?
A lot of this depends on the available space and your general methods of doing things. I like the idea of having a separate storage area for the masters and having them issued to the floor when needed. In similar fashion, I think it's a good idea for required gages and fixtures to be controlled and issued as needed. This can be accomplished by listing the needed items (even things like pin gages) on a shop router or traveler so that when a work order is issued the operator or setup person can gather what's needed and have everything in place when the job starts. It's usually not practical to store all of these things in the same place, but they should be stored such that a person doesn't have to traipse around a large building to get them.
 
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