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QMS and Management System - Are they one and the same? (TS16949)

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In Automotive certification scheme for ISO/TS16949 Rules for achieving IATF recognition 3rd Edition for ISO/TS 16949
6.9 recertification
The recertification audit shall include an on-site audit that addresses the following:
a) the effectiveness of the management system in its entirety in the light of internal and external changes and its coninued relevance and applicability to the scope of certification.
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d) the effective interaction between all the processes defined in the quality management system and the overall effectiveness of the management system.

Question 1: "the effectiveness of the management system in its entirety" and "the overall effectiveness ofthe management system" are the same thing? If the answer is yes, why request it twice?

Question 2: "the quality management system" and "the management system" are the same ?

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Re: QMS and managemenet system same ?

jelly1921 said:
In Automotive certification scheme for ISO/TS16949 Rules for achieving IATF recognition 3rd Edition for ISO/TS 16949
6.9 recertification
The recertification audit shall include an on-site audit that addresses the following:
a) the effectiveness of the management system in its entirety in the light of internal and external changes and its coninued relevance and applicability to the scope of certification.
...
d) the effective interaction between all the processes defined in the quality management system and the overall effectiveness of the management system.

Question 1: "the effectiveness of the management system in its entirety" and "the overall effectiveness ofthe management system" are the same thing? If the answer is yes, why request it twice?

Question 2: "the quality management system" and "the management system" are the same ?

Thanks!

Jelly
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In the point d) it speaks about the relation between QMS processes with the compatibility with the other management systems that are present in an organization. Par. 0.4 of the standard mentions this .
 
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