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QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to Do?

How many pages is your QMS Manual?

  • 1 to 5 Pages

    Votes: 6 3.8%
  • 6 to 10 Pages

    Votes: 11 6.9%
  • 11 to 15 Pages

    Votes: 17 10.6%
  • 16 to 20 Pages

    Votes: 21 13.1%
  • 21 to 25 Pages

    Votes: 21 13.1%
  • 25 to 30 Pages

    Votes: 11 6.9%
  • 31 to 35 Pages

    Votes: 15 9.4%
  • 36 to 40 Pages

    Votes: 15 9.4%
  • 41 to 45 Pages

    Votes: 9 5.6%
  • 46 to 50 Pages

    Votes: 8 5.0%
  • 51 to 60 Pages

    Votes: 18 11.3%
  • Resembles Juran's Handbook

    Votes: 6 3.8%
  • We have no manual per se

    Votes: 2 1.3%

  • Total voters
    160
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brahmaiah

Re: QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to

I have created a quality manual for our company which is 40 pages. It simply covers every element with a paragragh or so, except for Management Responsibility is covered in the manual instead of a procedure.
My superiors feel the manual should only be 3 or 4 pages long. Most of this reasoning is from different companies who have claimed to be certified.
Am I wrong in assuming a 3 or 4 page manual would not be adequate, and what exactly would be accurate?
Thanks, Dawn
Even if you choose No.3 font size and print in a microscript You cannot cover all requirements in 4 pages.If you avoid all formalities and answer only the 200 shall requirements of QMS you need 400 sentences. How many pages do 400 sentences need?
May be your boss wants to save the trees.
V.J.Brahmaiah
 
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Laura M

Re: QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to

Even if you choose No.3 font size and print in a microscript You cannot cover all requirements in 4 pages.If you avoid all formalities and answer only the 200 shall requirements of QMS you need 400 sentences. How many pages do 400 sentences need?
May be your boss wants to save the trees.
V.J.Brahmaiah

Quality Manual is easily covered in 4 pages. the required procedures take a few more.
 
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brahmaiah

Re: QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to

Quality Manual is easily covered in 4 pages. the required procedures take a few more.
Well! you want to enter the Guinees book of world records for the smallest Quality (non) Manual.
V.J.Brahmaiah:agree:
 
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Laura M

Re: QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to

Not really looking for a world record Quality Manual, just a practical one. Two pages max. Make sure you are looking at the requirements for a QM, not the system. :)
 
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brahmaiah

Re: QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to

Not really looking for a world record Quality Manual, just a practical one. Two pages max. Make sure you are looking at the requirements for a QM, not the system. :)
What is the Manual about, if not the system?
V.J.Brahmaiah
 
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brahmaiah

Re: QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to

Here's the definition:
For example one sentence Manual below:
"This is to document that our company follows a system comprising of all requiremets of ISO 9001-2008 standard."
Authorized by:
Chairman and MD cum MR
 
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brahmaiah

Re: QMS (Quality Management System) Manual - The Boss Wants a 4 Page Manual - What to

Who says your manual has to cover all the shall statements in 9001? Clause 4.2.2 tells you exactly what the manual 'shall' contain. Everything else is by choice.
Could you please show me a real example of the manual you are advocating.?
In the meantime enjoy the business cartoons below:
V.J.Brahmaiah
 

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