QS-9000 Clause 4.6.2.1 and Interpretation C9 - Subcontractor Development

[Andrews]

Subcontractor Development (4.6.2.1 and C9)

Subcontractor Development (4.6.2.1 and C9)

QS9000 third edition Appendix I.4 Subcontractor development says " When a subcontractor is so small as to have adequate resources to develop a system according to QS9000 Section 1, certain specified QS9000 subelements may be waived by the supplier of their subcontractors" .

Based on this,
a) can we waive our subcontractor the requirement of having quality manual and documented procedures , and ask them to maintain our Subcontractor Quality Assurance Manual instead. Has anyone done this?

b) what other subelements of QS9000 can be waived?

We are trying to waive these elements for those small but good subcontractors who may not be able to maintain voluminous procedures.

 

[TEGrinton]

Granted, not all of QS 9000 applies to the smaller companies, but you cannot waive all of the requirements. If you read further in I.4, "The majority of QS-9000 contains fundamental quality system requirements which would be of value to any size of provider of production/service parts/materials. Note that there are many ways to implement a compliant system, so a simpler approach could be used for the smaller subcontractors."

Some things like APQP can be standardized for a process, rather than on a part specific basis. If there is only one set of gages that is used to measure the output of the process, then do measurement system studies have to be conducted for every single PPAP? (repeatability and reproduceability can be proven through one study, while bias, linearity and stability can be proven through the collected inspection records.) Once again, the adage K.I.S.S. is totally appropriate.

 

[Andrews]

subcontractor development

Advance HAPPY NEW YEAR folks!

There are only two more days for the deadline of developing subcontractors to either certification / compliance to ISO9001 to expire.Can you share the status of compliance to this requirement?

Few of our subcontractors may get certified only in the month of Jan /Feb 2002. Any one facing the same situation?

 

[Angela-2007]

Yes, we are facing the same problem. I received a waiver from our registrar giving us another year to get those suppliers certified or compliant.

Angela

 

[tomvehoski]

The REGISTRAR gave you a waiver? Has the IAOB/IATF/AIAG extended the deadline or is this something specific to your registrar? I did not think a registrar could grant a waiver.

Tom

 

[Andrews]

How can a registrar give waiver when the Big three / IATF requires all QS9000 registered companies to develop their subs to either certification or compliance to ISO9000.

tomvehoski wrote:

Has the IAOB/IATF/AIAG extended the deadline or is this something specific to your registrar?

Would be happy if they had done it.

What about the other QS9000 companies?

 

[Angela-2007]

I wrote to them about my situation. They contacted a big wig at Ford. ( We mainly supply to Ford) and they gave them the OK to give us another year.

Angela

 

[Andrews]

Do you have a documented WAIVER from FORD.

What about your other customers? Have they agreed?

 

[Angela-2007]

I have a document from my registrar's stating that we cannot be audited on the three suppliers for the next year. The letter also states the individual that agreed to this from Ford. It says that we are a preferred supplier to Ford and it would not suite them for us to be issued a major non-conformance.

Angela

 

[tomvehoski]

So basically you are saying that your registrar went to Ford and obtained a waiver for you. It is NOT a blanket statement saying you (or everyone else) have another year to get your suppliers certified. Am I correct? Has someone from Ford actually signed the letter?

Tom