QS-9000 - R.I.P. (aka QS-9000 is Dead Meat and a 'Failure')

[Marc]

Also see:
http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000022.html and http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000024.html and
http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000021.html and http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000011.html and http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000009.html and http://Elsmar.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000006.html

Edited 25 December 2001

I can't re-lookup and change every old link to posts in the old forums. Most of them *should* still be there. If you want to find the post in the New forums, if the link to the thread in the old forums works (most of them should...), look at the thread (topic) title and what forum it is in. Then back here in the New forums - go to that forum and look for the thread topic title - OR - do a Search for the key words from Title (Note - you can search entire threads or just the 'subject' or 'title' - if you look in the Forums search page you'll see the options.

Call me lazy...

 

[ml retcher]

Just yesterday I attended a workshop for TS 16949. There are 35 more shalls. Many to do with employee satisfaction, labs, audits (process, product) and process design requirements.
From what was said in the workshop the big 3 have not committed yet. However there is not a team rewriting QS but there is a team finalizing TS. I say in 3 years it will be the standard of the times.

 

[Jim Biz]

Ohh No - Don't let Barb read this - (somebody's counting again )

I've pryed the "count how many" keys off my keyboard

Jim

 

[Roger Eastin]

Yeah, it looks like a few (35?) more "shalls" in TS. But I wonder, like Marc, what's in QS that is not in TS? Has anybody looked at that? I guess we better figure it out if QS isn't going away for 3 or so years.

 

[Marc]

Has Ford or Chrysler given notice to anyone?

 

[Don Reid]

Ford (Europe)has publicly stated that suppliers have the 'option' of QS9K or TS, and that it will not require "Q1 suppliers in good standing to obtain 3rd party registration to TS"

What "good standing" means I haven't the foggiest.

[This message has been edited by Don Reid (edited 23 May 2000).]

 

[Henry van amsterdam]

See the OEM communiques at
http://www.iaob.org/

 

[Marc]

Ford sez:

Mr. David A Velliky
Ford Motor Company 17101 Rotunda Drive, MD 652
Dearborn, MI 48121

October 7, 1999

Dear Supplier:

I am pleased to inform you of an enhancement in quality processes which represent a major breakthrough in automotive industry quality system requirements. A new document, ISO/TS (Technical Specification) 16949, jointly developed by Ford and other automotive manufacturers details the harmonization of automotive supplier quality system requirements including QS-9000. This document is supported by a common global automotive registration scheme which will be accepted by Ford, and other automotive manufacturers (refer to the attached communiqué), as the international equivalent to QS-9000 3rd edition when coupled with company-specific requirements.

The new Technical Specification is an optional document. Suppliers to Ford have the option of using either ISO/TS 16949 or Qs-9000 3rd edition as the basis of their quality system. We will not require Q1 suppliers in good standing to obtain third party registration to ISO/TS 16949, consistent with QS-9000 practice (i.e., internal self-audit, gap analysis, corrective action effectiveness). We will only accept third party registrations to this new Technical Specification if achieved through the common automotive registration scheme - the approved certification bodies can be found on-line at http://www.iaob.org

For many suppliers, particularly those with multiple international automotive customers, ISO/TS 16949 may represent substantial efficiencies by allowing one audit to satisfy the quality system requirements of QS-9000. VDA 6.1, AVSQ, EAQF when coupled with individual company-specific quality requirements and the common automotive registration scheme. The new Technical Specification may become the single automotive industry quality management standard of the future.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact Steve Walsh at 313-845-8442, fax: 313-845-6138, e-mail: [email protected] or Mark Orosz at 313-845-5179, fax: 313-390-1080, email: [email protected].

Best Regards,

Dave Villiky

 

[Marc]

GM Sez:

General Motors
Worldwide Purchasing

November 9, 1999

To: All General Motors Global Suppliers

Subject: New ISO/TS 16949 and QS-9000 GM Customer-Specific Requirements

As a result of the harmonization efforts of the supplier quality system requirements of car manufacturers worldwide, GM, as part of the International Automotive Task Force (IATF), has agreed to recognize the new ISO/TS 16949 standard. This standard provides a supplier of several car manufacturers with a single quality management system recognized by all IATF-participating companies at a minimum. We also plan to have a third party certification process that IATF-participationg companies will recognize as satisfying their current certification requirements, effective November 1, 1999.

GM will accept, as optional to QS-9000, a third party certification to ISO/TS 16949 that meets the following conditions:

* The certification scope must include both ISO/TS 16949 and the accompanying ISO/TS 16949 GM-Customer Specific Requirements, which are available on the GM supplier Web Site.

* The certificaiton must be conducted in compliance with the IATF automotive certification scheme by a certification body contracted by an IATF trade association. e.g. VDA, SMMT, AIAG.

Note that GM does NOT require you to upgrade your QS-9000 certificate to ISO/TS 16949. However we strongly recommend that you use your next QS-9000 surveillance audit to upgrade to the ISO/TS 16949 with the above conditions.

Sincerely,

Bo Anderson
Executive-In-Charge

General Motors Corporation
30400 Mound Road
North American Headquarters
Mail Code 480-108-101
Warren, MI 48090

 

[Marc]

Chrysler sez:

DAIMLERCHRYSLER

Recognition of VDA 6.1 and QS-9000 Standards

Dear Supplier

It should be noted that every supplier of production parts to DaimlerChrysler must be third party registered.

Effective immediately, as part of our Global Procurement & Supply strategy at DaimlerChrysler, registration to either VDA 6.1 or QS-9000, including company specific requirements, will be accepted as quality registration from our suppliers.

Our recognition of both standards facilitates your Quality Management and thereby helps our Extended Enterprise® to enhance its competitiveness.

Registration to ISO/TS 16949, including company specifics, will also be accepted as quality registration from our suppliers. This new Technical Specification may become the Quality Management standard of the future.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact:

Henry Gryn, P&S/SQ at 248-512-1452, Fax. 248-512-1423 in Auburn Hills, MI
Bernd-Martin Lembke, MEP/SP at +49-7031-90-88725, Fax. -88720 in Stuttgart, Germany

I am convinced that this is one more step on our common way toward delighting our customers with products of the highest quality which exceed their expectations every day.

Sincerely,
Gary C. Valade

DaimlerChrysler Corporation
1000 Chrysler Drive
CIMS 485-15-40
Auburn Hills, MI USA 48326-2766