QS-9000 / TE Supplement Audits changed to Process Oriented Approach

R

Rob Nix

#1
Is there anybody out there besides me that works for a QS/TE registered facility???

The reason I ask is that I just got off the phone with our registrar, and he tells me that the format for the upcoming surveillance audit (August 2004) will follow the "process oriented" approach used for ISO9K2K (ostensibly for consistency in auditing our three facilities (2 of which are ISO9K2K).

Our last 4 surveillance audits covered a number of elements from the QS/TE standards. The standard follows the old 20 elements. I am puzzled as to this "meld" of two different standards.

Can anyone help me out here with your own understanding / experience? :confused:
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor
D

D.Scott

#2
Rob - IMHO if you are certified to QS-9000, your surveillance should follow the element format. There is certainly no "requirement" to audit following a "process orientated approach". It sounds like the auditor is having trouble keeping the two styles straight and would like you to buy in to this line. Consistency in the three facilities should have nothing to do with the audit scope (which should be conformance to the QS elements). If consietency were an issue, all three facilities would have the same certification.

Now, having said that, if what he means is that he will still audit the elements but structure them in such a way as to follow them through a particular process, then I could live with that. The minute he started asking for process flow diagrams, inputs and outputs etc. and dinging you for not having a process oriented system, I would think he was out of line.

Just my opinion but I think a lot of auditors are having a hard time with the different approaches.

Dave
 
A

Al Dyer

#3
I agree Dave,

Something is amiss here and there needs to be continuity in a contract to know what is expected. You can't change rules unless both sides agree and if this is so, there needs to be a certain amount of time agreed upon to meet any new requirements of a contract. Of course I say this with no knowledge of the contract wording, it just seems there is no meeting of the minds.

Al...
 
R

Rob Nix

#4
Dave and Al,

Thanks for your input. You generally see as I see it. In any event, I am not breaking into a cold sweat about this. My anxiety on this issue is just one point higher than lethargy. :sleep: I trust our system will show its effectiveness however the auditor wants to proceed (NOTE: Dave, based on my last audit, you are correct that the auditors are "having a hard time with the different approaches").

Anyway, I was more interested in finding others lurking in the Cove that are also TE Supplement registered, and what approach their auditors are using.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
M Fate of T&E (Tooling and Equipment) supplement from QS 9000 Various Other Specifications, Standards, and related Requirements 2
M OLD Standard Documentation QS-9000 & TE (Tooling and Equipment suppliers supplement) Document Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 12
D Gage RR to train operators? QS-9000 Semiconductor Supplement 4.11.4.S Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 3
Q 6 Weeks to convert from QS-9000 TE Supplement to ISO 9001:2000 ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 19
O Quality Systems Manual Ideas - Moving from QS-9000 / TE Supplement to ISO 9001:2000 Quality Management System (QMS) Manuals 8
Z FMEA Requirements in QS-9000's TE Supplement QS-9000 - American Automotive Manufacturers Standard 1
M QS-9000 with TE Supplement Implementation - How and where to start? QS-9000 - American Automotive Manufacturers Standard 13
Z QS-9000 TE Supplement - What is it's Future? QS-9000 - American Automotive Manufacturers Standard 4
D Machinery FMEA (MFMEA) Training for a QS-9000 TE Supplement company Training - Internal, External, Online and Distance Learning 5
L Is QS-9000 T/E Supplement appropriate terminology? QS-9000 - American Automotive Manufacturers Standard 7
L Ford Q1 vs. QOS vs. QS-9000's TE Supplement - Will Ford want anything else? Customer and Company Specific Requirements 5
Marc QS-9000 TE Supplement & Service Providers QS-9000 - American Automotive Manufacturers Standard 1
C TL-9000 Certifying Body Issue - Auditor failed to find an issue for 10 years TL 9000 Telecommunications Standard and QuEST 16
Q Choosing between ISO 9001 (2015) & TL 9000 certifications ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 4
qualprod In ISO 9000, Standard vocabulary - Competitors , interested parties? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 13
A Happy 30th Birthday, ISO 9000! ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 1
A ISO 9000 Standard "standard" definition ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 6
M What is the difference between ISO 9000 and ISO 9001? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 2
J QS 9000 Internal Audit Booklet required Internal Auditing 2
Q TL 9000 Measurement Requirements TL 9000 Telecommunications Standard and QuEST 3
Q TL 9000 8.4.V.1 Quality Manual in a Service Company Service Industry Specific Topics 3
T Where to purchase ISO 9001:2008 and ISO 9000:2005? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 2
W QS 9000 to TS 16949 Transition Questions IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 1
M ISO 9000 World Conference and Draft changes to new revision ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 2
Q Moving steps from ISO 9001 to TL 9000 TL 9000 Telecommunications Standard and QuEST 4
I ISO 9000 series, 13485:2003, 15378:2006 - Small Compounding Pharmacy ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 2
S TL 9000 Certified Companies - REMINDER - TL 5.0 Measurements Effectivity - July 2013 TL 9000 Telecommunications Standard and QuEST 1
O ISO 9000 section 7.2.1(c) Compliance help needed ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 5
A Exploding the Myths Surrounding ISO 9000: A Practical Implementation Guide Book, Video, Blog and Web Site Reviews and Recommendations 28
Q How to correlate the 8 Quality Management Principles to ISO 9000 standards ? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 3
A Quality Software TQS-9000 Family of Products Quality Manager and Management Related Issues 3
R Is ISO 9001 a prerequisite to TL 9000 certification? TL 9000 Telecommunications Standard and QuEST 5
optomist1 ISO 9001 vs TL 9000 - Looking for a comparison matrix Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 3
Q ISO 9000 Conference Istanbul-Turkey - Looking for Speakers ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 1
S New to ISO/TS16949 - Our QS-9000 certification has expired IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 3
D TL 9000 Lead Auditor Training & Certification TL 9000 Telecommunications Standard and QuEST 1
M PS 9000:2001 significance ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 2
M PS 9000: 2001 - What are the Salient Features Various Other Specifications, Standards, and related Requirements 4
Project Man What is the most current ISO 9000 standard? I heard there is an ISO 9100 ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 9
M "ISO 9000 Quality Systems Handbook" by David Hoyle Book, Video, Blog and Web Site Reviews and Recommendations 24
N How does a company determine what ISO standard (9000 or 9001) to register to? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 7
Q Full Job Description and Responsibilities in ISO 9000? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 12
K Documents required to display/keep during ISO 9000 Audit in EPCC firm ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 17
K Developing an TL 9000 Audit Checklist - Help required TL 9000 Telecommunications Standard and QuEST 2
apestate Question on wording in DOD RFQ regarding ISO 9000 Various Other Specifications, Standards, and related Requirements 7
T TS 16949 Continual Improvement Requirements vs. QS-9000 Requirements IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 16
R New 13485 Registration questions - Currently registered to ISO 9001 and TL 9000 ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 2
L Copies of ISO 9000:2005 and ISO 9004:2009 ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 7
Sidney Vianna The ISO 9000 ecosystem - a clear(?) vision for the future of the ISO 9000 family ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 11
T ISO 9000 / Lean Six Sigma Survey - University Study - Seeking Respondents ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 1

Similar threads

Top Bottom