Quality Auditor Certification vs. Lead Auditor Certification

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WALLACE

#51
Auditor courses are bull****!

Al,
you speak the truth, it's about time many more realized the falacy of auditor training and certification through registration bodies, a person with a good educated head on their shoulders is able to be the best auditor they can be with internal organizational support and practical experience through actually doing QMS audits as, I've said in the past at the Cove, many of the most decorated auditors within the quality arena are "Intelectual idiots", I'm sure you have met some of them Al.
You've got balls Al, I like you.
Wallace.
 
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#53
Originally posted by M Greenaway

Al

Similarly anyone with half a brain can drive a car.

Why do we bother with a driving test ?
Well, I guess that there are a lot of people with less than half a brain, ...or maybe that just proves your point!!!

Have a good day, M!:eek:
 
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WALLACE

#54
Driving license.

I'm gonna throw my driving license in the garbage right now, I just haven't decided what half of my brain (Left or right) to use to make this life changing decision.
Wallace.;)
 

Marc

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#55
Re: Auditor courses are bull****!

Originally posted by WALLACE

You've got balls Al, I like you.
As long as there's not a Kiss Fest... I'd have said don't get Al started, but I think his ignition is on and the motor's already running...
 

Marc

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#56
I've been thinking

Yeah - I know. Dangerous...

A lead auditor course, or any course, is what you make of it. Some of you may remember a quite contentious exchange I had with one fella who was excited about a course for US$300 that gave a certificate that said the person holding the cert had shown competence and could implement an ISO 9001 system - so you know I'm not pro- certification in many instances. Well, in that instance you got a certificate for passing the test but I don't think it was any type of real certification such as with the IRCA and RAB.

That said, heck - no course will hurt a person. It's knowledge if only from gaining another perspective. To me the lead auditor course was valuable in that when I frist took it in 1994 it gave me a perspective of where auditors would be coming from. Doing implementations, it helped me understand some things from their perspective and some reality I had not known was part of the process. I re-took it in 1998 as a 'refresher' and while I did not walk away with the insight I gained in 1994 it wasn't a useless exercise.

The LA course is not hard per se. You must have an understanding of the standard and be aggressive enough to get into the role playing part. If I had an employer who would pay for it I would take it.

One aspect of taking the LA course is how well founded many of us are in quality assurance and all that it entails. The biggest obsticle I can think of is taking the course without any knowledge of quality assurance and the underlying principles involved - as is often the case. For example, I've been around so many nonconformance and corrective action systems that I pretty much know one when I see one, understand root cause and such. If one is ignorant, say, in calibration systems and laboratory requirements, matching what the standard requires with various ways companies approach calibration can be an issue.

This is not just an issue of experience in the field, either, I don't believe. Anyway, just a couple of thoughts... :thedeal:
 
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