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Paul Simpson

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#31
Thanks to manix for the reply. I will come back with some further thoughts. Below are some ideas for the principles that have come from some learned people in the Chartered Quality Institute in the UK. Thoughts?

'1. Leadership
Effective leadership is essential for a sustainable business. Organisation’s top management should:
• participate in and commit to quality, business improvement and the organisation’s customers and other stakeholders
• provide leadership, strategy and resources to achieve the organisations goals, objectives and targets
• regularly review the organisation’s management system and performance against its objectives
• demonstrate their commitment to the organisation’s values, strategies and policies throughout all of their actions.

2. Organisation values
A clear set of organisation values is an essential requirement for a sustainable business and an organisation’s top management should establish values, which include, among other issues, how the organisation values quality, innovation, continual improvement, and cares about its stakeholder’s needs and aspirations which includes its customers, employees, suppliers and society in general.

3. Organisation control, guidance and nurture
An organisation’s goals and objectives are achieved through effective leadership, adequate resourcing, an effective and efficient management system and competent and committed people. In the longer term, these actions and resulting behaviours lead to a positive organisation culture in which the values of the organisation are naturally shared across the workforce. An organisation should:
• use its; values, top management leadership as an example, management system and competency base to establish a sound organisation internal climate to control, guide and nurture its business processes
• identify its total requirement for competence, to be maintained internally or accessed externally via approved suppliers
• meet existing and projected future competence requirements by effective recruitment and development of people to occupy posts and roles
• monitor proactively and reactively through the analysis of incidents, behaviour, attitude and level of satisfaction of people.

4. The management of risk
Understanding risk and using this understanding, allocate resources to manage risk to deliver to the sustainable delivery of the expected quality of products and services. An organisation should:
• identify the key sources of potential harm to its survival, public profile and its ability to deliver quality results to its customers and other stakeholders and assess the associated risks
• prioritise risk on the basis of the combination of severity of consequence and the likelihood of occurrence
• manage significant risks that pose an unacceptable threat to the organisation so that they are either avoided, transferred, controlled or the consequence is mitigated by fully developed and tested contingency arrangements.

5. Customers and other stakeholders
Satisfied and loyal customers are essential for a sustainable organisation. Quality is a need and aspiration that lies within the eye of the stakeholders who exercise their influence and power on the behavior of the organisation. In general it is the customers who are the most influential and powerful although other stakeholders such as regulators, banks and insurers etc can cause an organisation to quickly cease to exist. As a priority organisations should:
• ensure that customers and significant stakeholders’ needs and aspirations are accurately analyzed and understood with respect to the organisation’s operations
• measure customer and stakeholders’ satisfaction
• use customer and stakeholders’ feedback to improve products, services and organisation operations by seeking to optimally balance relevant stakeholder needs and aspirations.

6. Management System
The sustainable delivery of consistent and reliable high performance to stakeholders requires the implementation and maintenance of an effective and efficient management system and a suitable and sufficient competence base. The management system should manage the organisation’s competence and, by encouraging the right behaviors, promote a positive organisation culture in the longer term. An organisation should carefully design its management system in order to:
• control and guide the organisation’s processes in order to deliver its vision, goals, objectives and targets though a ‘plan, do , check and act’ approach applied at all levels of the organisation from top management down to individual task level
• continually improve all aspects of the organisation’s performance
• manage risk within the totality of the organisation, including projects and relationships with stakeholders
• consistently deliver high quality products and services to customers within budget, on time and optimally satisfying the needs and aspirations of stakeholders
• promote a positive evolving organisation culture
• address all impacts of its activities, e.g. quality, health and safety, environmental, knowledge, data, etc through a single integrated structure, as appropriate.

7. Delivering quality results through commitment, ownership and planning
Quality does not happen by accident. It is the result of determining the appropriate levels of product or service quality, establishing quality acceptance criteria and planning to meet these criteria. Top management should demonstrate a commitment to quality management and organisations should:
• design and build quality into their structure and processes that deliver or support

products and services or act as a contingency if these fail or underperform.
• encourage process owners and people to take responsibility and champion planning and delivering of quality to the customer
• ensure that sufficient resources are available to plan and deliver the predetermined levels of product or service quality.

8. The process approach to delivering results
An organisation’s products and services are most efficiently and effectively delivered to customers through primary business processes, those clearly identifiable chains of recurrent activities with a planned outcome that extend across an organisation and through which inputs are transformed into outputs, of a defined quality, cost and delivery schedule, for the organisation’s customers. Establishing effective primary business processes is an essential requirement for a sustainable business and an organisation should:
• ensure that there is a clear link between the organisation’s purpose and its primary business processes
• design its primary and supporting business processes from a customer and stakeholder perspective
• provide effective visibility of its primary and supporting business processes
• ensure that process personnel have been trained and/or inducted in the requirements of these primary and supporting business processes
• establish the necessary resources to manage and operate these primary and supporting business processes.
When designing its business processes, products and services, an organisation should consider the total lifecycles and the need to sustain and make best use of the earth’s resources in the short and longer term.

9. Monitoring, measurement and data analysis
Monitoring, measurement and data analysis is necessary to control, confirm and analyse performance of the organisation’s and contracted management systems, processes, products and services and to take corrective actions, preventive actions and initiate changes to continually improve. An organisation should monitor proactively (via audits, inspections etc) and reactively (via accidents, incidents, complaints, near miss reporting and analysis) what is important to:
• customers
• staff
• other stakeholders
• process owners.

The organisation’s top management and process owners should analyse and measure in order to understand their structures and business processes and improve performance. The monitoring arrangements should form a hierarchy of actions that efficiently and effectively make the best use of the monitoring resource and should be periodically adjusted via management review To promote continual improvement of systems and processes. A positive organisational climate will encourage people at all levels to behave in a way that promotes quality via the identification of opportunities to improve processes that deliver products and services, identify risks and reduces failure and reduce waste. An organisation should:
• encourage people at every level of the organisation to generate creative ideas and recognise individuals who generate them
• maintain processes to review, evaluate, prioritize, select, develop and implement ideas that have been created
• undertake regular reviews and assessments of business processes to confirm that they continue to deliver the intended results, the management system is appropriate and being complied with, and to identify further opportunities to prevent failure, improve performance, reduce waste and reduce risk.

10. Problem solving and decision-making
An effective and evidence informed method of identifying the root cause of problems and developing solutions that not only provide a cost effective resolution of the issue, but also considers the associated risks. An organisation should:
• develop the competencies to enable root cause analysis, risk assessment and risk informed decision-making to be conducted at every level of the organisation
• maintain processes to establish the root cause of problems; develop and implement solutions and share both the problems and solutions across the organisation.
Fundamental to effective management and a positive organizational climate is the principle of a just approach when encountering and dealing with problems, i.e. question why and how the management system allowed a problem to occur instead of allocating blame to an individual or individuals when the causes are human error. However, where individuals have clearly violated the management system for selfish reasons they should be subject to disciplinary processes compliant with human resource legislation.

11. Mutually beneficial supplier relationships
The quality of an organisation’s products and services may be restricted by the weakest link in its supply chain. The satisfactory delivery of products and services by an organisation’s suppliers and partners is an essential requirement for a sustainable business. An organisation should:
• ensure that supplier processes integrate harmoniously with the organisation’s processes
• ensure that its customers’ requirements are accurately cascaded to all levels of its supply chain
• identify and manage any significant risks to the accurate delivery of products and services within the supply chain
• accept that both the organisation and its suppliers should benefit equitably from the relationship.'
 
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JaneB

#33
The only time these principles have been discussed with me were at that interview and as part of the ISO 9001:2000 lead auditor qualification process. So how important and relevant are they to commerce?
I cannot respond to 'how relevant they are to commerce but as guiding principles that underlie and are embedded into ISO 9001, I consider them both very important and very relevant.

I think all of them are still relevant today, although the weakest one is the final one (suppliers) the relationship to the requirements being somewhat vague at best.

Don't good managers learn principles just like these at management school without having to buy a copy of an ISO?
It would be good if they did. Some people learn them by experience.

...who's using them and would there be any significant change in the field of quality if these points along with large chunks of ISO 9000 and the whole of ISO 9004 were quietly dropped?
YES! I use them often in my consulting practice, educating people to understand them, to help them understand the Standard and its requirements. I refer to one or more of them frequently. And I'd be very sad to see all the bits you're talking about go (although I don't know what you mean by 'large chunks of ISO 9000').

the 8 principles is not guidance as to how to meet ISO 9001 but rather is an explanation of where 9001 comes from.
Yes, just so. I think it's important to elaborate the principles on which something like the Standard is based, and applaud them for doing so.

I take the point about 'for the business owners, there is a DIRECT connection and benefit' in linking quality and money but note that in Japanese organizations the focus is on direct measures of rework, equipment effectiveness etc. and financial measures are largely absent from the shopfloor.
It would be good to see some recognition of the imprtance of the $$ side of the equation which in profit-making businesses is (rightfully) a highly important consideration.

Good topic Boris, thanks for raising it. But think it's better not to break it up into multiple threads - too finegrained.
 
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lucia_a91

#34
I have found this thread extremely interesting. What do you guys suggest me to do for a small company (internet industry, 15 persons)? I have worked on a big IT company in the past and their processes obviously do not match for a small company. Does anyone has any suggestions on what to start reading first? thank you and apologies if this is not the right forum to ask.
 

Paul Simpson

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#35
Latest news:
I understand the timetable for the working group work is as follows:
  • The judgment on the need for the revision - 2011.03.31
  • Definition of the revised QMPs - 2011.06.30
  • Draft text for the new QMP Brochure - 2011.12.31

There has been a lot of work on this at the meeting (and in preparation) - there may be more that comes out shortly.
 

Manix

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#36
I have found this thread extremely interesting. What do you guys suggest me to do for a small company (internet industry, 15 persons)? I have worked on a big IT company in the past and their processes obviously do not match for a small company. Does anyone has any suggestions on what to start reading first? thank you and apologies if this is not the right forum to ask.
Hi and Welcome to the forum. I did an academic study on the applicability of excellence models (which include these quality management principles) to small organisations. It was specifically my company but some comparisons in general for small businesses were drawn.

If you can be more specific about what you are trying to find out or achieve I am sure I may be able offer some advice or guidance.
 

Manix

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#37
Latest news:
I understand the timetable for the working group work is as follows:
  • The judgment on the need for the revision - 2011.03.31
  • Definition of the revised QMPs - 2011.06.30
  • Draft text for the new QMP Brochure - 2011.12.31

There has been a lot of work on this at the meeting (and in preparation) - there may be more that comes out shortly.
Thanks for the update Boris. I am sure you can tell from my previous posts I am skeptical about this adding much value but I am interested to see where they take it.
 

Paul Simpson

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#38
Thanks, Manix and I’m conscious I still haven’t got back to you on the earlier post so - here goes:

This is a good point and one that leads to mine, in that there is too much emphasis on what can and cannot be audited and what can can't be proven or analysed by a third party. IMO, the management principles are not tools that can be implemented and then checked by someone, they are approaches tailored to an organisation, the results of which can then be checked and balanced. I think that the ISO standards public and professional perception requires a radical overhaul in order for these principles to have any meaningful existence within them.
I think Dirk made similar points in his posts. The important thing for me is that the QMPs actually describe good (and best) practice for quality management. The idea is that the rest of TC 176 / SC 2 (the sub committee that writes ISO 9001) then adopts the QMPs and looks at how to describe an ISO 9001 requirement that, if satisfied, shows that a company understands and meets the principle.


Principle 1: Customer focus - Rather than focusing on 'How do you focus on customers?'. Let's lead a cultural revolution that means that this happens, without thought or question. The auditor would be someone who reviews the steps to achieving this and perhaps audit the effectiveness through facts, but don't loose sight of the core principal, creating customer focus as a matter of day to day life, not through sending out a questionnaire every six months.
Again this is something that is difficult to describe. How do you show that an organization has ‘customer focus’ it isn’t something that you can check a box for or that can be demonstrated with a procedure but it is something you can see in good companies. Again the question is how to describe what is good practice and then develop those into 9001 requirements.

Principle 2: Leadership - Rather than asking 'Is your leadership any good?' why not develop leadership attributes that are conducive to obtaining results that meet the requirements of your environment, not 'does it conform to a predetermined standard'!
Clause 5 of 9001 has a whole series of requirements for ‘top management’ and I believe if you were to get this group of leaders actively involved in the QMS (as opposed to letting the Quality Manager do it all) you would be over half way to a decent system.

Principle 3: Involvement of people - Involve people to the extent that it provides value to all stakeholders, not just because a standard says so!
Again it is a truism to say that good quality relies on involvement of people but what is good practice?

Principle 4: Process approach - Yes have documented and known Processes, but this is more than documentation and people knowing their processes, it is about the way people see their work, how people resolve problems, improve the system overall. For that you have to develop a process based thought train. This is can be standardised and have minimum levels of achievement but the changing of behaviour and attitudes to align to such an approach requires more than a documented, audit-able system.
Agreed - I have argued consistently that processes are more than flow charts and require different thinking to get away from functional silos but how to get that message across to users of 9000 series standards?

Principle 5: System approach to management - Is this not the basis for ISO9001?
IMHO this is one of the principles least understood and totally not captured in 9001 requirements. If I had to sum up this principle it would be … it’s more complicated than you ever think it is - beware!

Principle 6: Continual improvement - Again as with customer focus, people and leadership, this is a cultural element that has systems to support it. IMO this one area that ISO9001 is the least helpful. It offers nothing on how to achieve the cultural revolution required to have a continuous cycle of improvement. Again the cultural element is ignored and we should have a system of improvement. Yes we should, but long term, you want that system to be embedded within your organisation, not an audit-able system. I accept that the use of data, review processes etc are all important, but this has to be extended beyond the tangible, humans recognise and instigate improvement and to maximise that you need the correct cultural foundations.
Again agreed - but how to capture as requirements? A classic example for me is the multi level CI initiatives at organizations that use ‘Lean’ if we could capture that as a principle and get the principle incorporated as requirements in 9001 then there should be no question as to whether a QMS serves the business.

Principle 7: Factual approach to decision making - I think ISO9001 does provide a good foundation for this principal, given the requirements to measure, monitor, review, action (or PDCA!), but again it supports the principal. You have to get PEOPLE to make decisions using that data.
9001 covers this with clause 8.4 and certainly if the spirit of the requirement is met then the principle is met. So is the issue with the third party assessment process not looking hard enough for this?

Principle 8: Mutually beneficial supplier relationships - This is a massive one and one well beyond the current ISO approach. IMO you cannot certify an organisation in isolation on this. One organisation can action things that create beneficial supplier relations, but this involves a number of organisations beyond your own. Your dealing with relationships and complex cultural elements that need more than just 'they are certified to ISO9001' in order to create a relationship that works. This principal also seems to be missing the term 'long-term'. Whilst there can be short term relationships of benefit, those for sustainability purposes are, in most cases going to need to be long term. Management system elements can certainly support this, but again I think this is beyond a standardised approach and would need to be tailored to the organisation.
As I think I’ve mentioned this is one where ISO 9001 has little in the way of requirements to satisfy the principle and maybe it is too difficult to specify how an organization demonstrates that it works in partnership with its suppliers (and customers?).

Overall, I think self assessment and a firm cultural basis will be required for the principles to be truly embraced and I think this is far removed from the current ISO 'way'. I am a firm believer in excellence models being the focus, with management systems being a tool to help achieve the principles. I do not believe the auditor/certification root creates long-term sustainability even with the supposed greater incorporation of QM principles.
This is our opportunity to influence the process. If we can ensure:
  • the principles are relevant for organizations who aspire to ‘good’ quality systems
  • these principles can be clearly communicated to the 9001 standards writing teams
  • the next version of 9001 has these principles clearly incorporated
  • the certification industry is given clear guidance as to what is acceptable evidence that a requirement has been satisfied
Then the process should be a lot better and customers can place more reliance on an ISO 9001 certificate.

What is ISO's thinking? Are they looking to create their own excellence model? I would be interested to see the development work and where this is going, but IMO ISO has been "embraced" ("worked" or "effective" are of course debatable) because companies can see some benefit in a standardised system and there is a financial cost and clear set of guidelines on becoming 'certified'. The above principles, whilst a foundation for standards, require more than financial investment and time, they require a firm belief and understanding and a commitment to work on the intangible elements that for me hold organisations back from truly adopting these principles.
When ISO went to the 2000 edition of 9001 it was a massive change of approach founded on the 8 QMPs. The 2008 edition was deliberately small changes to allow some organizations who had struggled to cope with the previous transition and weren’t ready for another seismic shift. This next revision has to look at whether the 8 QMPs remain valid and then ensure they are ‘designed in’ to 9001.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#39
My complaint is the 8 ISO Quality Management Principles are great, but nobody knows them! ISO 9000 says they should be known and used, but few companies do (including the OEMs).

The 8 ISO Quality Management Principles should be clearly posted in the introduction in the 9001 standard. Especially # 7 and 8. I love them, and promote them in both my training classes and to my clients.
 

Paul Simpson

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#40
My complaint is the 8 ISO Quality Management Principles are great, but nobody knows them! ISO 9000 says they should be known and used, but few companies do (including the OEMs).
There's the rub. The idea is that the QMPs underpin all the standards produced by TC 176 and that includes ISO 9001. So it should be possible to read each of the 8 QMPs in the requirements standard ISO 9001 (for example). General consensus on this thread is that this is not the case. :nope:


The 8 ISO Quality Management Principles should be clearly posted in the introduction in the 9001 standard. Especially # 7 and 8. I love them, and promote them in both my training classes and to my clients.
As has been mentioned earlier in a requirements standard like 9001 it is sometimes difficult to develop requirements (the 'shalls') that capture the spirit outlined in a principle. You can't just say - the organization shall show Leadership, Customer Focus, Involvement of People etc. It's bad enough trying to specify something like what constitutes a quality objective. :notme:

So picking the two you mentioned.
  • # 7 on Factual approach to decision making is quite well defined in 9001 (IMHO) with the requirement for an organization to 'determine,collect and analyse appropriate data to demonstrate the suitability and effectiveness of the quality management system' and then going on to list at least some suitable sources of data.
  • # 8 on the other hand is noticeable by its absence (IMHO) with a token clause 7.4.1 about selecting suppliers

So as I have mentioned before our challenge is to influence the process by saying what we think the principles should be, how to demonstrate that the principle is being met (as a means of developing a requirement) and then how to train all parties so that these principles find their way into quality management systems when ISO 9001:20XX is released.
 
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