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Quality Objectives - Why not aim for perfection all of the time?

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Denis9001 - 2007

#21
I would say that objectives are the perfection you are aiming for and the targets are the steps towards that perfection. So in your case an objective may be "to minimize delivery time" and then your targets may be something like "3 days" or "on time 99% of orders".

Remember you should also look at your measurements. Having one indicator may not be enough to get the true picture. You have 99 order for 100 dollars shipped on time and one order for 1,000,000 shipped 100 days late. You've hit your target but lost your most important customer! So the answer is you would have various different indicators and possibly weigting so as to give more importance to the million dollar order.

You are NOT required by the standard to achieve continual improvement only to aim for it. You wouldn't get a noncompliance if figures for one period showed a performance decline.

In practice as you improve performance in one area you will almost inevitably find a decline in other area. You hire more staff and now ship out on time 100%. But your payroll has increased and your profits suffer. In the end management are going to have to do what they're hired to do, make decisions. What is the right balance between shipping time and payroll for them, Maybe fast shipment means more customers so profit increases.

Anyway, the key point about objectives is we know what we're trying to do ie the purpose. You have defined shipping time as a quality criteria for your product. Whether you want to have targets is up to you.
 
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jelsdonheight

#22
Thank you everyone for your insightful replies.
I'm changing my tactic, I am definately going to approach this without a numerical target, meanwhile beginning tracking performance for a period in order to set an achievable target.
This will be done with quarterly values, the objectives will support the business objectives and prove Continual Improvement.

I think that I was lost in the haze of numeric objectives, thanks for clearing my sight friends.
 
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benriddell

#23
I agree with Britman et al - very well put BTW.

It is important, no matter how you approach, that the all relevant personnel are included in the decision making process. It ensures everyone pulling in the same direction, promotes a team attitude and you are more likely to achieve your collective goals because everyone has had an input.

Basing objectives on measurable past performance is the only way to start - gives everyone an idea as to what is needed to be achieved. Horrible situation and demoralising, to set goals which are unrealistically high and fail at the first attempt.

It is important to illustrate to all involved(auditors included) that there is continuous improvement within your organisation. No matter where you start the ball rolling, 40%, 60% etc, my opinion would be that you do set some kind of numeric value.

Good luck
 

xfngrs

Quite Involved in Discussions
#24
s there still a requirement in ISO/Ts 16949 for 100% on time delivery? I didn't find it in the basic standard, but it might be hidden in one of the accessory documents. Also, does anyone know if Chrysler requires 100% on time delivery? We have an audit next week.:
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
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#25
s there still a requirement in ISO/Ts 16949 for 100% on time delivery? I didn't find it in the basic standard, but it might be hidden in one of the accessory documents. Also, does anyone know if Chrysler requires 100% on time delivery? We have an audit next week.:
I think that every customer expects things to be delivered on time, otherwise they wouldn't bother to tell you when delivery was expected. :D As for the specific Chrysler requirements, if you're being audited against them, you should probably know what they are, no?
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#27
Well, the thing is we're just starting a Chrysler project and its still in APQP so we haven't got done reviewing everything yet.
Then it shouldn't be an issue insofar as an audit is concerned, so long as your APQP process is on track. In general, though, obtaining customer standards and requirements should happen in close proximity to Day One, at the RFQ stage. If your company accepted the work without knowledge of the requirements, it could be a problem.
 
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