Re: This report is written to blame you.....
energy said:
Now, who would really do that? Aren't they trained auditors where they would learn how to present findings? Aren't audit reports usually forwarded to the Lead Auditor for review, prior to release? No posts I've seen have pointed to the fact that names were used in their findings.
While the posts in this thread may not have done that, I have seen internal audit reports that have. Usually by "trained" auditors who do not truly understand how to audit, grant you, but also who do not have the people skills required to be an effective auditor.
Energy said:
An Example: If you saw an employee using an obsolete document, what do you use for evidence? "Employee was observed using an obsolete document which is contrary to Procedure XXX." The Department Supervisor is going to ask "Who? All my employees are aware of the requirements and I have to know who because all my employees follow Procedures." Do you whisper it to him?
No, I do not. I explain that audit is a random sampling method used to ascertain the health of the system. If the audit found one person who was following an obsolete procedure, it is logical to assume that there are others. Should the supervisor go to the guide and ask the same question, however...well...I have no control over that...
Energy said:
Does this mean you may withdraw the finding? Insert the report into a shredder? My comment regarding Joe wanting you to talk to him about the problem was directed at before a report was written.
No finding of mine goes into a report until the closing meeting. It will documented on my checklist as a finding unless the auditee is able to clear up the matter. My notes have all of the facts supported the observed nonconformance. Before I leave the area, I go over this with the guide who is traditionally someone who can clear up any possible misunderstandings. If the situation is resolved prior to me leaving or prior to the closing meeting, it does not get put onto a record.
Energy said:
Rox: I'm not singling you out for debate. It may look like it because your posts intrigue me...

:truce:
Uh huh...right...I believe ya...

But no worries...I'm not taking it as a personal/professional attack. If I am not making myself clear, then I thank you for asking questions that will hopefully resolve any misunderstandings.