Question concerning process troubleshooting and process FMEA usage in job shops

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garibati

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Do we need to pursue both process troubleshooting and process FMEA in job shops simultaneously? In my opinion both complement each other. But, implementing both at a time for the same process seems redundant.
I appreciate any comments!
Garibati
 
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Do we need to pursue both process troubleshooting and process FMEA in job shops simultaneously? In my opinion both complement each other. But, implementing both at a time for the same process seems redundant.
I appreciate any comments!
Garibati
I did not understand the question. Could you please be clearer or make some example about what you asked for?:bigwave:
 
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garibati

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Hey sorry for the not being clear.

Here is what I am asking.
Both process FMEA and process troubleshooting can be used to tackle problems on product or process. Now, if process troubleshooting is capable of eradicating all discovered problems, why to do the FMEA? Or if the FMEA is capable of anticipating all problems why to do the troubleshooting?
 

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Hey sorry for the not being clear.

Here is what I am asking.
Both process FMEA and process troubleshooting can be used to tackle problems on product or process. Now, if process troubleshooting is capable of eradicating all discovered problems, why to do the FMEA? Or if the FMEA is capable of anticipating all problems why to do the troubleshooting?
I have understood your point now.
First of all , take into account that FMEA is implemented to prevent POTENTIAL failure mode .
Process Troubleshoot is referred to a successive phase of PROBLEM SOLVING.
These two methods should be considered as wheels of the same process of continuous improvement. They are stricly linked: FMEA shall be seen as a living document , fostered by problems ( Included RMA0 that are not considered before, and used to review the associate Control Plan.
So the response is that they both live together, but they have to be directly linked if you want to optimize your processes:bigwave:
 
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garibati

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Thank you qusys

Excellent thought. You have clarified my doubt. I want to add some suggestion on process troubleshooting. I consider it as STATUS QUO maintaining tool not as continuous improvement tool. Nevertheless it complements process FMEA and as such they are two faces of a coin, as you mentioned. :agree:
 

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Thank you qusys

Excellent thought. You have clarified my doubt. I want to add some suggestion on process troubleshooting. I consider it as STATUS QUO maintaining tool not as continuous improvement tool. Nevertheless it complements process FMEA and as such they are two faces of a coin, as you mentioned. :agree:
Thanks a lot, Garibati.
I understand your point on process troubleshooting and I agree.
But I intend it at higher level, in the sense that if you put in place a virtuous circle ( strict link between FMEA-Control Plan-G8D or Problem solving), you can also improve to the reaction mechanisms on process and/or on product. If an organization learns from its mistake in a constructive way, it can also review/modify/optimize their own processes and also review the procedures ( in this case you mention , those related to trouble -shooting activities).
All this should be finalized into a continual process, in harmonic way, that could carry towards continuous improvement. My suggestion is a strong involvement of all personnel , expecially on shop floor, so that they can see these quality tool usefull to facilitate the job and not a burden for them. This is the strong step to do. However thank you for your words, glad to have been of your support.
 
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