Questioning legitimacy of CBs if not in IAQG-OASIS Database - AS9100 Certificate

[RCW]

I was reviewing a sub-tier supplier's AS9100 certificate as part of a supplier evaluation. I've seen quite a few different CB certificates but this was from one I haven't seen before. Going to the IAQG-OASIS website site, I found neither my supplier nor their CB was listed there. Excuse my ignorance but don't all AS91XX certificates get processed through SAE / IAQG-OASIS? Is this really a legitimate certificate or should I be suspicious that my supplier hooked up with a fly-by-night outfit?

Also odd is the cert was issued in August 2016 and set to expire in August 2019 (the full 3 year cycle). Was the September 2018 "no more AS9100C certs" cutoff not known back in August 2016?

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Re: Questioning CBs legitimacy

If the certificate is not available through OASIS, it is not recognized by the IAQG. OASIS provides the "validation" of the certificate legitimacy.

 

[RCW]

Re: Questioning CBs legitimacy

If the certificate is not available through OASIS, it is not recognized by the IAQG. OASIS provides the "validation" of the certificate legitimacy.

So is it fair to say this certificate is not legitimate? Or better to say it's not "universally" accepted?

 

[Sidney Vianna]

From the OASIS database website:

This online resource contains a list of suppliers who are certified / registered under the IAQG rules to be in compliance with the aerospace quality management system requirements (9100 series). This resource also contains all bodies involved in the process (i.e. National Accreditation Bodies, Certification Bodies and Authenticated Aerospace Experienced Auditors).

 

[Jen Kirley]

Re: Questioning CBs legitimacy

So is it fair to say this certificate is not legitimate? Or better to say it's not "universally" accepted?

What accreditation do they list?

 

[RCW]

Re: Questioning CBs legitimacy

What accreditation do they list?

There are logos all over the cert. (Why? - Because it looks more impressive and there's strength in numbers?)

I'm assuming the one that "matters" is ABAC - American Board of Accredited Certifications. There are also logos from ARM - American Raw Materials, Industrial Leaders Group, and DNMM - Developed National Manufacturing Materials.

 

[dsanabria]

Re: Questioning CBs legitimacy

There are logos all over the cert. (Why? - Because it looks more impressive and there's strength in numbers?)

I'm assuming the one that "matters" is ABAC - American Board of Accredited Certifications. There are also logos from ARM - American Raw Materials, Industrial Leaders Group, and DNMM - Developed National Manufacturing Materials.

A logo (ANAB or UKAS) as example should appear next to the registrar logo. If not, you could tell the supplier that they should complaint or get their money back and that other aerospace companies would stay away from them especially in Rev AS9100D if they do not have a valid accreditation from a certified body - (NADCAP, ISO and or AS91XX).

 

[Sidney Vianna]

A couple years ago, Mr. Tim Lee offered a presentation on "Bogus Certification" during an AAQG meeting. The presentation material is available, both as an attachment to this post or by clicking on the slide, below.

And don't forget this thread, one of the shortest ever at The Cove.

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[BoardGuy]

I ran into American Board of Accredited Certifications (ABAC) a number of years ago with a supplier and they are not a 9100 accredited registrar under the ICOP program of IAQG. If they were they would be listed in the OASIS database. Even per ABAC’s website they believe that their integrity is sufficient and not oversights by a national or international accreditation organization like ANAB or UKAS.

American Board of Accredited Certifications will argue that their certification is just the same as one issued by a certification body that has obtained ANAB or UKAS certification but in the end, under the 9100 ICOP requirements, it’s just a piece of paper with pretty logos form organizations that are also not recognized.

I would inform your supplier that their certification and certification body do not meet the aerospace/defense industry requirements under AS9100 and that their certification cannot be accepted and ask them to complete your usually supplier approval documentation.