Reject Tags - red tag is a form and needs to have a part number and revision?

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energy

#11
Really now

Wes Bucey said:
Wow! Talk about separating flyspecks from pepper.

If it were my organization, I would have a work instruction that says

"use a red piece of paper or tape on suspect material to add ready visual identification as suspect material. Complete a form which describes the material and suspected material defect in sufficient detail for retrieval and examination by MRB before making a decision on final disposition."
Could the tape or paper be 1" X 1", 2' by 2', 6 yd X 7yd? Wouldn't you mention the specific form number? Aren't MRB's a thing of the past? A carry over from the old Mil Spec days? What's sufficient for details? Like a two page document? Just flicking off the flyspecks! ;)
 
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#12
Flyspecks

energy said:
Could the tape or paper be 1" X 1", 2' by 2', 6 yd X 7yd? Wouldn't you mention the specific form number? Aren't MRB's a thing of the past? A carry over from the old Mil Spec days? What's sufficient for details? Like a two page document? Just flicking off the flyspecks! ;)
Sure, the tape can be whatever is necessary. Are you calling an individual L.E.D. lamp into question or a Gondola railroad car filled with steel ingots? How big a tag or label do you need to warn someone against using it while it is under suspicion?

MRB a thing of the past? I'm not sure what everyone else's organization terms the function, but more often than not, the suspicion that material may not be conforming is subject to review and a determination of disposition. We call the person or persons making that review an MRB.

So, if I have one suspect L.E.D. lamp (wrong color? bent lead?), my organization may just scrap it and eat the 4-1/2 cents rather than spend more money writing up paper. If I have 120 tons of suspect ingots, somebody above the rank of incoming inspector determines the disposition. We choose to continue to call it a Material Review Board. So does the FAA. In fact, all through the 90's, under the 1994 edition of ISO, we didn't even use red tags, we just segregated the suspect material in a locked pen with its original paperwork until the applicable MRB group was notified and actually "reviewed" the situation to make an ultimate pass/fail/rework/return/scrap decision. We did this with incoming material as a matter of course. We only did it with our own production when there was ANY question by the initial person whether the material was usable. Sometimes we sent samples to a customer for HIS MRB to make a decision before we scrapped some things.

Mom always said, "Waste not, want not!" So we constantly make value judgments about incoming and outgoing material. If it isn't fit for use for one customer (case is wrong shade of green?), maybe we can sell it someplace else or salvage the insides and put it in a case of the right color. In our organization, that function of determining disposition is called MRB.
 
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energy

#13
I liked the MRB

Wes Bucey said:

Mom always said, "Waste not, want not!" So we constantly make value judgments about incoming and outgoing material. If it isn't fit for use for one customer (case is wrong shade of green?), maybe we can sell it someplace else or salvage the insides and put it in a case of the right color. In our organization, that function of determining disposition is called MRB.
:topic: Cause and Corrective Action can just involve two responsible people, call them what you want. It can be as difficult as you choose to make the process. I asked that question about MRB's here in the Cove and was told that it was "a carry over from those mil-spec days" and hardly used anymore. Kind of like an Antique Car Show. ;) I was drawn into this discussion by your reference to separating fly specks from pepper, which preceded your fact filled post. Not surprisedly, that's what we do here. Just never saw it put so colorful. I would definitely choose pepper over fly specks. We all know what they are... :smokin:
 
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Tom W

#14
:truce: There are a million ways - well maybe not a million ways, but a lot of ways to describe this tag thing. The fact of the matter is no one is right and everybody is wrong!!! I mean there is no right or wrong opinion here. Company culture dictates peoples responses and methods. To control or not control that is the question!!!!!!!!!

As I have stated in a different thread - A well controlled monster is better than an uncontrolled monster. JMHO. :ko:
 
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energy

#15
The dreaded red tag

In addition to the "Quarantine" area, red usually means something's wrong. I have seen Receiving personnel question parts with some kind of red tag on them and find out somebody sold us a skinny chicken. We hung red tags on anything that required further investigation. It keeps people away. I've seen the quarantine area wide open and people rifling through the parts because there were not enough parts to finish with what they were doing. Who had the key? Shipping and Receiving Supervisor. Production Manager asks the S&R Supervisor to open it up so he can "assist" in dispositioning material. Makes the "on the spot" determination that they can "live with it". Sometimes there is a lag between receiving and the official "MRB" ;) action. Tag it red immediately, (Receivers can do this) pending action. At least when the production burglars come around they know that the parts are classified as "non-conforming" for something. I like red tags...part numbers, Supplier, PO #, quantities, etc., all that good stuff you need to make that important call. JMHO
 
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