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Required to put original manufacturers on Approved Supplier List?

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jckca

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I performed a search for this question, but only found questions regarding distributors required to be on the Approved Supplier List (ASL).

Is it acceptable, under ISO 9001 or 13485, to put a distributor of a product component on the ASL and not the original manufacturer? An example of this would be any of the major electronic component distributors, where the original manufacturer is known, but we only deal with the distributor.

Thank you for any input.
 
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Duke Okes

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I performed a search for this question, but only found questions regarding distributors required to be on the Approved Supplier List (ASL).Is it acceptable, under ISO 9001 or 13485, to put a distributor of a product component on the ASL and not the original manufacturer? An example of this would be any of the major electronic component distributors, where the original manufacturer is known, but we only deal with the distributor.Thank you for any input.
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Is it acceptable, under ISO 9001 or 13485, to put a distributor of a product component on the ASL and not the original manufacturer? An example of this would be any of the major electronic component distributors, where the original manufacturer is known, but we only deal with the distributor.
I don't know about 13485, but you do not need to approve OEMs when purchasing through a distributor for ISO. I approve J&L Industrial Supplies (because, as Duke points out, that's who I purchase from) but I do not approve Vermont Gage, Reiff & Nester, Parker Hannifin, Norton Abrasives, 3M, etc.

What prompts the question, if I may ask?
 
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jckca

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What prompts the question, if I may ask?
Not putting the OEM on the ASL seems hokey to me- but as posted here and confirmed with a couple other contacts seems to be the industry standard.

I don't really care if the distributor has a corrective action policy in place, but I might care if the power supply manufacturer does. The thing is, if we don't put the manufacturer on the ASL we'll never get that information.
 
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Not putting the OEM on the ASL seems hokey to me- but as posted here and confirmed with a couple other contacts seems to be the industry standard.

I don't really care if the distributor has a corrective action policy in place, but I might care if the power supply manufacturer does. The thing is, if we don't put the manufacturer on the ASL we'll never get that information.
I think you maybe confusing product approvals with supplier approvals. If you buy a power supply or a discrete electronic component for a specific application, it may be necessary to approve that product, in its application...this is often an engineering task.

However, since many OE's don't sell directly and since your contract (under law) is with the distributor, you must monitor their performance. Also, their supplier is the OE so the same thing applies to them. Simply stock holding something made by an OE doesn't absolve them of supplying a good product! You buy from a catalog, to that specification, they are responsible for supplying - to that spec. Plain and simple! And, I rather think you have to care about a distributor and their corrective actions - to protect your organization from their risks! You do it every time you go to the store to buy food, in effect!
 
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jckca

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The OEM is part of the specification as approved and I understand that the distributor needs to be on the ASL.

What I don't like or maybe understand is why its okay not to care about the OEM's quality systems while putting the distributor's under a magnifying glass.

You buy from a catalog, to that specification, they are responsible for supplying - to that spec. Plain and simple!
While this may be technically true, I don't think it gets me anything. If we find a 1 in 1000 defect in the power supply, I'd be very surprised if a distributor even informed the manufacturer of the problem and the fact still remains this system it is impossible for me to even evaluate the manufacturer's quality system if I'm only looking at the distributor, especially if the distributor is only evaluated as a whole.
 
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The OEM is part of the specification as approved and I understand that the distributor needs to be on the ASL.

What I don't like or maybe understand is why its okay not to care about the OEM's quality systems while putting the distributor's under a magnifying glass.



While this may be technically true, I don't think it gets me anything. If we find a 1 in 1000 defect in the power supply, I'd be very surprised if a distributor even informed the manufacturer of the problem and the fact still remains this system it is impossible for me to even evaluate the manufacturer's quality system if I'm only looking at the distributor, especially if the distributor is only evaluated as a whole.
Well, let me try to answer these imponderables for you. But I have to ask a question; what magifying glass are you putting the distributor under? All you have to do is have some criteria and then monitor/evaluate them against that criteria! What's the 'as a whole' deal? Why not evaluate how they handle your stuff? That's all you pay them for!

I feel as if you are painting this a bigger deal than actually required, of something we all do when we visit a supermarket!. Part of your evaluation may be based on the risk of a 'pass through' defect and how the distributor would handle it. You don't do much evaluation of a can of Campbell's soup (low risk) but it's a different story in the dairy products! The supermarket is only a distributor so are you proposing to visit/audit the chicken?

BTW - if the power supply is that critical to you, then indeed, you should evaluate the whole supply chain, even (to follow your own logic) to the extent of the key components which might fail - if it's that important (risky) for your organization.

I doubt that it is, so there has to be moderation. You can't appply a broad brush to supplier evaluations, as many try to - people waste hours sending out supplier surveys, asking for certification, auditing them to ISO. Believe me, after running the SQA function for a number of years, you have to start from an understanding of risk......
 
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