Requirement for Revision of Standard in all Documentation

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We are currently going through our ISO 14001 audit, but I believe this will pertain to all ISO standards. Our auditor gave us a warning (but not a non-conformance at this time) for having a document that stated we were certified to ISO14001, not ISO14001:2015. She stated that this is now a requirement for any documentation to include the revision.

We often remove the revision so that we don't have to go back and update all documents when the revision changes (we are sure to miss a few). While I'm not concerned about the effort, the requirement is not clear within the standard, so I am unsure of why this would be a finding.

Has anyone dealt with this issue, had a non-conformance, or have any information regarding this requirement?

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Our auditor gave us a warning (but not a non-conformance at this time) for having a document that stated we were certified to ISO14001, not ISO14001:2015. She stated that this is now a requirement for any documentation to include the revision.
ISO wants the certified organizations to do so for spurious reasons. Check Certification

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But the auditor is not the "ISO police". If you do use the certification mark provided by the CB, they have rules on how to use it, but any attempt to censor your wording on ISO 14001 certification could have first amendment implications...tell the auditor to spend her audit time on issues of relevance...
 

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. Our auditor gave us a warning (but not a non-conformance at this time) for having a document that stated we were certified to ISO14001, not ISO14001:2015. She stated that this is now a requirement for any documentation to include the revision.
The page you refer to covers copyright issues for the ISO name. Your auditor is supposed to be auditing to a particular standard, and is not responsible for policing ISO copyright concerns. She's off-base, in other words. You might want to remind her that it's not possible to be registered to anything other than the current version of the ISO standard in question, so there should be no confusion.
 

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You might want to remind her that it's not possible to be registered to anything other than the current version of the ISO standard in question, so there should be no confusion.
During a transition period, two distinct editions of a standard could co-exist, but, as I pointed out in this post, the irony of the IAF Certsearch database confirming the validity of an ISO 9001:2008 certificate in June 2021 is just too much.
 
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I understand that 17021 does require CBs to police the use of certification marks. Further that every CB needs to have a guidance document for how they are used. Further that 17021 requires auditors to check on the use of the certification marks on every audit. It is even included in the workbook of some CBs.

I'm aware that some CBs do a very poor job of enforcing it.

However, it is my understanding that the revision level or year of the certificate is not required. It once was. After all it could only be a current version, and that would be only one version except for the overlap when a new version is introduced. For example there was a three year transition from ISO 9001:2008 to ISO 9001:2015. Maybe it is an individual CBs interpretation as to if the year must be used.

I think a phone call to your CB is in order to find out what they expect.
 
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