Restricting scope of AS9100 certification to a couple of customers

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Is it possible to have a scope only for when a custumer demand us to comply with all of AS9100 requirements and another scope that comply with the requirements of ISO 9001?

We are manufacturing parts to a lot of different industries and my guess is that only two of our customers even know AS9100 exists, and the rest would think that most of these requirements in AS9100 would be overkill for their parts.

Could it be written in one scope that when customer demands AS9100 requirements we will do so, or else we will do ISO 9001? Or how could it else be done?
 
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Although not common, you could have your scope of AS9100 certification limited to specific clients.

Something along the lines of:

The Manufacturing of aerospace parts for Flying-Hi Corp. and Crash&Burn Inc.

The ISO 9001 certificate would not list the limitations.
 

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Sidney,

What happens when a new aerospace customer is acquired? I don't know enough about scope changes to know what is involved. Would this trigger either an out of cycle audit or significantly more time on the next audit? Could the scope be limited in some other way, such as to customers who require AS9100?
 

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If a new customer requires it, the certification body can extend an annual (or semi-annual) surveillance audit to assess the system and revise the scope of certification accordingly.

This could also be accomplished via a “special audit” (using ISO 17021 terminology) to revise the scope of certification.

Actually, I have never seen a scope of certification with this type of limitation ( for specific clients), but it would be acceptable. As always, whenever an organization has multiple standards to comply with and multiple certifications, many issues are hard to segregate. For example if you buy stainless steel for both aerospace and non aerospace parts, it would be very hard to effect the procurement process differently for ISO 9001 and AS9100, thus, your procurement process would need to comply with the strictest of the two, AS9100, in this case.
 

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Sidney Vianna said:
Although not common, you could have your scope of AS9100 certification limited to specific clients.

Something along the lines of:

The Manufacturing of aerospace parts for Flying-Hi Corp. and Crash&Burn Inc.

The ISO 9001 certificate would not list the limitations.
Instead of mensioning customers specific i guess our scope could be something

The Manufacturing of aerospace, aviation and defense parts.

This would mean that the AS9100 requirements are only to those of our customers within this range. But with a scope like that I could treat all of my other customers in the way i would(in theory), and don't comply to any of the requirements in either AS9100 or ISO9001?

So to secure all of our customers I would like to somehow let them know that all of our other parts is always manufactured with the requirements within ISO 9001.


If a new customer requires it, the certification body can extend an annual (or semi-annual) surveillance audit to assess the system and revise the scope of certification accordingly.

This could also be accomplished via a “special audit” (using ISO 17021 terminology) to revise the scope of certification.

Actually, I have never seen a scope of certification with this type of limitation ( for specific clients), but it would be acceptable. As always, whenever an organization has multiple standards to comply with and multiple certifications, many issues are hard to segregate. For example if you buy stainless steel for both aerospace and non aerospace parts, it would be very hard to effect the procurement process differently for ISO 9001 and AS9100, thus, your procurement process would need to comply with the strictest of the two, AS9100, in this case.
Obviously some procedures will need to comply to the strictest, as it would be the easiest in the long run, and in those cases we are more than happy to comply with those. Raw materials, measurering equipment are some of those areas where we do so.

But my main issue is that many of our customers wouldn't pay for us rendering unusable or completing a very strict FOD program. But in the long run working with FOD progam makes very much sense both for our aviation and for our "normal" parts. You could say that we are not doing a complete FOD program on all of our parts, but we are improving our FOD awareness over time in general, so that we someday maybe could say that we are a 100% FOD free on all of our parts. Does that make sense?
 
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