RIPs should be labeled and not shipped. What are RIPs in ISO/TS 16949:2002?

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dv802

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I attended a power point "training" session for ISO/TS 16949 today and I am confused about an acronym that was used. In the section about "non-conformance parts" the presentation stated "RIPs should not be shipped" and "RIPs should be labeled". Nobody knows what this means... not even the Quality Manager. Does anybody here know what it means? I don't know if the company I work for created the presentation or if they purchased it. Also, if the QM doesn't know what it means how do I, as a machine operator, know if I'm meeting TS 16949 requirements? What does "RIP" refer to?

Thanks, Donna
 
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Dave Johnson

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I can't find anything in the TS standard referring to RIP's, but this may concern a customer waiver. The standard says (in 8.3.4) that your company must obtain a "customer concession or deviation prior to further processing whenever the product or manufacturing process is different from that which is currently approved".

I'm just guessing, but could RIP be "Rework in Progress" or something like that?

"RIPs should not be shipped":
When a customer gives a concession or deviation, standard practice is that this is in writing. They will tell your management any special requirements they will have you do.
Depending on the part's function, appearance, criticality to the customer, etc., your company may not want to send out any reworks without your customer's permission. This may be spelled out in the contract or in the customer's supplier quality requirements manual.



"RIPs should be labeled":
The containers containing your reworked/deviated parts usually have to be marked in some way, such as a hi-lited "X" mark or with the customer's deviation number on the outside of the container.

As a machine operator, it's management's responsibility to let you know what is required in these cases.


Again, Ive never heard of RIP referenced with TS. I hope this helps.
daj
 
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Wes Bucey

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Dave Johnson said:
Hello and Welcome!!
I can't find anything in the TS standard referring to RIP's, but this may concern a customer waiver. The standard says (in 8.3.4) that your company must obtain a "customer concession or deviation prior to further processing whenever the product or manufacturing process is different from that which is currently approved".

I'm just guessing, but could RIP be "Rework in Progress" or something like that?

"RIPs should not be shipped":
When a customer gives a concession or deviation, standard practice is that this is in writing. They will tell your management any special requirements they will have you do.
Depending on the part's function, appearance, criticality to the customer, etc., your company may not want to send out any reworks without your customer's permission. This may be spelled out in the contract or in the customer's supplier quality requirements manual.



"RIPs should be labeled":
The containers containing your reworked/deviated parts usually have to be marked in some way, such as a hi-lited "X" mark or with the customer's deviation number on the outside of the container.

As a machine operator, it's management's responsibility to let you know what is required in these cases.


Again, Ive never heard of RIP referenced with TS. I hope this helps.
daj
There are only two possible solutions that I've heard of to this acronym which could conceivably fit:

Recoverable Item Program
Repair In Place

Even so, it is immaterial for the exact meaning, because I'm sure you don't have a program which even remotely covers these two terms or you or your Quality Manager would have made the connection already.

The only solution to this quandary is to have Quality Manager track it down - his responsibility is to assure all training is understood by students - this is an obvious gap in understanding.

Sorry - this illustrates the concept behind my frequent rants about folks who use acronyms without providing the referent and and without explaining them more fully.
 
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dv802 said:
I attended a power point "training" session for ISO/TS 16949 today and I am confused about an acronym that was used. In the section about "non-conformance parts" the presentation stated "RIPs should not be shipped" and "RIPs should be labeled". Nobody knows what this means... not even the Quality Manager. Does anybody here know what it means? I don't know if the company I work for created the presentation or if they purchased it. Also, if the QM doesn't know what it means how do I, as a machine operator, know if I'm meeting TS 16949 requirements? What does "RIP" refer to?

Thanks, Donna
Of course, the first thing is welcome to the cove. :bigwave: It is great to have other folks here from the Great Lakes State!

I think others have answered this well. My guess is the organization that gave the class uses RIP as a common name for them. It is not a common name, as you can now see. However, looking at the context of the usage, I would assume that RIP is not a good thing, and we should take steps to ensure it does not get to the customer. We can safely say that all nonconforming product would fit into this category, as would anything "in process". Your best bet is to go back to the organization, and ask them. Then you can let us know!

Sounds like a deal to me. :thedeal:
 
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dv802

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Thanks for the help guys :D . I had a feeling that it meant "rework in progress" but when I suggested it in the meeting I was met with a bunch of blank stares. Our Continuous Improvement Team tracked it back to the plant that created the presentation and that's exactly what it meant.
Your replies were very informative, the 45 minute "training " I had just gave me very basic information. Thanks again
 
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