Risk Management - Risk of injury to a specific sport

jbunla

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Hello I am in dire need of feedback on a topic regarding risk of injury to a specific sport.
I am trying to apply risk management to this event, however because it is a thesis I need resources, references that are almost non existent for the sport in question. So there is some difficulty in how to create a framework to start...:(
 

sagai

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Re: Need help on topic related to Risk Management...

Well, I would ask someone practising that particular sport or physician specializing on that area ...
 

MIREGMGR

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Re: Need help on topic related to Risk Management

In the area where I live, there are a number of physicians and practice groups, usually affiliated with one of the larger hospitals, that specialize in Sports Medicine. I'd think that physicians with such a practice would be subject matter experts, and could offer opinions if not necessarily hard data. It's also possible that an insurance company, via resources available to its actuaries and risk managers, could provide something more directly useful as data.
 

jbunla

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Re: Need help on topic related to Risk Management

Thanks for the response...

Let me put it a better way; I practiced the 'sport' in question...I am attempting to write a plan/guideline. The group of participants in a good season are about 30 able persons (usually in he fall). The group is headed by a friend of mine; there are about 12 adults (only about 6 are active enough to matter) and about ~11 active children (under 17). The sport in question is more of an art with a "sportive" component that includes martial, dancing and acrobats. It does not fall under any sort of specialty so information on it is very limited in terms of quantifiable. However there is certainly high level of risk, although I will also like to narrow/focus more on the non-contact aspects say within training sessions which can translate well into "good practices/good technique" (for a lack of better word) during "matches".
I have gone through medline/sports medicine etc, etc and nothing...no injury listings, but I have gone to workshops in the past and know there is value in an injury prevention program.
I even thought of using gymnastics injury prevention program(s) but do not know how to make the connections to make it relevant (I know it is, but how to analyze/evaluate one for another is part the issue).
I also thought about a survey (showing non-contact injury and typified causes/factors), but then that opens another door. The group I will like to use as a model is a small (community-based) with a relatively high turn-over partly due to demographics and nature of the art (high learning curve).
I have searched this forum and maybe it is how I am formatting questions but there is nothing even remotely close to sports injury talk less of its prevention
thank again for looking
 

PaulJSmith

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Re: Need help on topic related to Risk Management

The sport in question is more of an art with a "sportive" component that includes martial, dancing and acrobats. It does not fall under any sort of specialty so information on it is very limited in terms of quantifiable. However there is certainly high level of risk, although I will also like to narrow/focus more on the non-contact aspects say within training sessions which can translate well into "good practices/good technique" (for a lack of better word) during "matches".
Well, I can tell you as a martial arts practitioner of some 35 years, if you are trying to gather hard data about injuries from an obscure system, you are wasting your time. You will not find such data. Most martial artists are hesitant to disclose the true nature of their injuries, and for a variety of reasons - not the least of which is to avoid the typical response from the care giver of "Why would you subject yourself to such a ridiculous and dangerous activity?" The closest thing you can do is to interview members of your own group, and any other similar groups, and hope they are willing to give you honest answers about their own injuries. From that, you may be able to piece together a relatively reasonable study on which to base your program.

Good luck.
 

jbunla

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Re: Need help on topic related to Risk Management

PaulJsmith said:
Well, I can tell you as a martial arts practitioner of some 35 years, if you are trying to gather hard data about injuries from an obscure system, you are wasting your time. You will not find such data.
Thank you for the response...yeah I wouldn't say obscure, more not really westernized per se. It is catching up albeit very slowly and very dissected.

Most martial artists are hesitant to disclose the true nature of their injuries, and for a variety of reasons - not the least of which is to avoid the typical response from the care giver of "Why would you subject yourself to such a ridiculous and dangerous activity?" The closest thing you can do is to interview members of your own group, and any other similar groups, and hope they are willing to give you honest answers about their own injuries. From that, you may be able to piece together a relatively reasonable study on which to base your program.
Hahahahaha I hear that a lot; my children belong to this group actually I occassionally get into their games, their teacher is a good friend.

I like the suggestion it seems I cannot get around a survey due to lack of hard data regarding injuries and factors that may cause them.
Just as a side note, do you think it is worthwhile looking at say injury prevention programs in another sport like gymnastics and draw from this? I am just think aloud because I know I will still have to evaluate the merits of that sport in comparison to this?!?!?
Btw the art is Capoeira...I realized I was been too spooky about it... :thanx:
 

jbunla

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Re: Need help on topic related to Risk Management

Risk management in a physical activity (specifically martial art/gymnastic):

Can anyone direct me to the main differences between these standards
AS/NZS 4360:1999 versus ISO 31000:2009?
For what I am looking at, the AS/NZS 4630 looks good, but I am not sure if it is dated...?!??!
thanks
 

Marc

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Re: Need help on topic related to Risk Management

Just as an FYI/Memo to myself:

Wikipedia reference-linkCapoeira

and

AS/NZS 4360:1999 - Risk Management - This Joint Australian/New Zealand Standard was prepared by Joint Technical Committee OB-007, Risk Management. It was approved on behalf of the Council of Standards Australia on 21 July 2004 and on behalf of the Council of Standards New Zealand on 20 August 2004. This Standard was published on 31 August 2004.

and

ISO 31000:2009 - Risk management -- Principles and guidelines
 

TPMB4

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Not sure if it is relevant but isn't Wushu (a Chinese variant of Kung Fu I think) a more acrobatic form or martial arts. Sometimes known as Wushu tumbling or Wushu acrobatics. I only mention this because it might be a more commonly studied activity that might, just might, have some similarities to Capoeira.

Failing that have you tried to find the information from Brazilian sources? Isn't there a Capoeira scene in California??
 

jbunla

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Thanks for the response TPMB4...

Unfortunately capoeira is so unique in its movements the closest approximation of any East-Asian art will be Taekyon (sp). And I do believe that art will suffer the same issue as it is not part of the main stream.

I have gone through couple of insurance agencies (3 of them to be exact) and while they have access...sharing or relinquishing this information (just data) is not happening. A survey might be the only other option to start...

Yes there is a capoeira scene is California, huge actually but it is complex as different lineages do things differently so it will be way too large to try and incorporate my plan. I think the model (community based group) I am planning to use is just small enough and many of the movements are more "modern" and so follow a specific standard at least the basic movements do...perhaps I can start from there. The RM standard/guide is something I will also like to add...:cfingers:
Pls let me know if u have more suggestions I appreciate it, thanks again
 

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