Rules on E-mail.....Any suggestions?

Pancho

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#21
How do you know that just dealing individually with the two severe abuses wouldn't have the same effect?
Perhaps it would have, but company policies are set when you see a need for them. I believe that if our policy had been in place prior to the abuses, at least one of them would not have happened.

Do you think that blanket policies are the only way to communicate requirements?
Of course not. Do you think that it is always wrong to institute company policies?
 
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Jim Wynne

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#22
Perhaps it would have, but company policies are set when you see a need for them. I believe that if our policy had been in place prior to the abuses, at least one of them would not have happened.
People felt free to engage in "severe abuses" before the policy, or did most people understand what constitutes "severe abuse" (or even minor abuse)?

Of course not. Do you think that it is always wrong to institute company policies?
I think it's always wrong to use a blanket policy when dealing with individuals will suffice.
 

Pancho

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#23
People felt free to engage in "severe abuses" before the policy, or did most people understand what constitutes "severe abuse" (or even minor abuse)?
My granpa used to say that common sense is the least common of the senses. The appropriateness of certain behaviors are ambiguous by circumstance or by culture. The policy is a tool to help clear up those ambiguities in a consistent manner.

I think it's always wrong to use a blanket policy when dealing with individuals will suffice.
Dealing with individuals always suffices. Again, a policy is a tool for that dealing.
 
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Polly Pure Bread

#24
Bottom line: you dont' know that you actually have a Problem. Nor do you know if the 'improvement' in the wasted time is worth the morale impact of not treating your employees like adults.
If you are the employer, will you allow your employees mix official business and personal matters together?
 
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Polly Pure Bread

#25
....you dont' know that you actually have a Problem. Nor do you know if the 'improvement' in the wasted time is worth the morale impact of not treating your employees like adults.

By the way - under your new policy how will using company assets to visit the cove be treated? How will you enforce it?
Leave your staff alone and let them do whatever they want e.g. visit the Cove, chat, or play online games as long as they produce expected result. I can accept visiting the Cove :agree1:, surfing the net for a constructive reason. :agree1:

However, online chat and online games :nope:

Allow your employees forward/send an email with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. :nope::nope::nope:
there's a difference between someone surfing the net and not doing what he's supposed to be doing and sending an email message that has no effect on productivity.
There’s a big difference between doing the job at the same time doing bad things (personal matter). Is it ok to steal as long as you donate? Give your son all the condoms he want since boy will be boy and he is going to do it anyway, so he can have all the fun he desire. It doesn’t matter what the President does in private, as long as the economy is good. Those are not acceptable reasoning.:whip:

I preciate policies so employees will know which are allowed and prohibited. We value employees. If we want what’s best for them (who doesn’t?) we better establish good policies. It’s just how you will make the tone of your policies.
 
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Jim Wynne

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#26
My granpa used to say that common sense is the least common of the senses. The appropriateness of certain behaviors are ambiguous by circumstance or by culture. The policy is a tool to help clear up those ambiguities in a consistent manner.

Dealing with individuals always suffices. Again, a policy is a tool for that dealing.
I don't think that having policies, per se, is a bad thing. Some are necessary. But if the idea of wasting large amounts of time when one should be working is ambiguous, something is seriously wrong that a policy isn't going to help. Quoth Dr. Deming: Substitute leadership.
 

Jim Wynne

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#28

Allow your employees forward/send an email with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. :nope::nope::nope:
There’s a big difference between doing the job at the same time doing bad things (personal matter). Is it ok to steal as long as you donate? Give your son all the condoms he want since boy will be boy and he is going to do it anyway, so he can have all the fun he desire. It doesn’t matter what the President does in private, as long as the economy is good. Those are not acceptable reasoning.:whip:

I preciate policies so employees will know which are allowed and prohibited. We value employees. If we want what’s best for them (who doesn’t?) we better establish good policies. It’s just how you will make the tone of your policies.
Sorry, but you're constructing strawmen. If you equate personal conversation (verbal or otherwise) as "bad things" and don't understand the difference between doing something that has no negative consequences and something that does, you're not the right person to be involved in policy-making, I'm afraid.
 
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Polly Pure Bread

#29
Should we allow people to talk to each other about things that aren't work-related? Is that the question?
Thanks Jim but you are rephrasing my question that resulted to a different meaning. you're constructing strawmen also :truce:
 
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Polly Pure Bread

#30
Thanks Jim but you are rephrasing my question that resulted to a different meaning. you're constructing strawmen also :truce:
The truth is i agree with you Jim. :applause:However, there needs to be some guidelines to limit the use for personal purposes. There is always someone in the company who will abuse it. :)
 
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