Sampling Definition I.A.W. 17025 - Does sampling apply to calibration laboratories?

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joecalibratio

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17025 does not provide enough definition of Sampling. We calibrate measurement instruments we manufacture and need to address this requirement to our customers. Is this applicable to our business?
 
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Welcome to the Cove:cool: !

I'm pretty sure we can provide you with the information you need, but we need a little help from you first:

joecalibratio said:
17025 does not provide enough definition of Sampling.
Sampling of what?

joecalibratio said:
We calibrate measurement instruments we manufacture and need to address this requirement to our customers.
What requirement? Can you be more specific?
 
J

joecalibratio

#3
Response

Thanks for the assistance.

ISO/IEC 17025:2005(E)
5.7 (PAGE 19)

We do not really "sample" anything. (at least I do not think we do)
It matters what the definition of sampling is. We calibrate only but
is there some requirement involving calibration that states we must
perform sampling?
Obviously I dont know what sampling is....

:eek:
 

Hershal

Metrologist-Auditor
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#4
Typically, a calibration activity does not sample. That is not to say that a cal activity (e.g. an internal lab) cannot sample, but cal is typically 100% of items, therefore the sampling clause would not apply.

A test lab on the other hand, may well sample, and then the clause applies.

The basic part of the answer then is: If you are calibrating 100% of the items you manufacture, you do not sample, so the clause is not applicable.

If you are accredited already, your AB should have given you that answer. If you are not yet accredited (or in process, that is applied), but looking at it, let me point out that there are several ABs recognized: IAS, A2LA, NVLAP, SCC/CLAS, L-A-B, ACLASS.

Hope this helps.

Hershal
 
J

joecalibratio

#5
sampling

Thank you! That helps alot.

We are accredited through NQA and I must admit this is relatively new
for us. Our company got into this before we actually knew what being
accredited was.

Joel:thanx:
 

krishkaar

Involved In Discussions
#6
Re: Sampling Definition I.A.W. 17025 - Does sampling apply to calibration laboratorie

We have excluded the 'sampling requirement, Sec. 5.7' in our Lab Quality Management System Scope (as per ISO 17025:2005).
WE do not do any sampling exercise. We have NOT provided for any Sampling Procedure also.

On the other hand, we receive sampled products from various clients for carrying out 'TESTS' in our Laboratory and the sampling exercise is entirely in their scope.
We are simply expected to Report results on ' as received samples'.
 
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kurikabu

#7
Re: Sampling Definition I.A.W. 17025 - Does sampling apply to calibration laboratorie

Hi to all.

I am in-charge of pushing our accreditation for ISO 17025. Nature of our business is petroleum testing laboratory. We don't do sampling as we are a service laboratory. What the clients send us, we do testing based on their reqmt. It sounds dumb, but I would like to know if I can exclude the "sampling clause" in our internal procedure. Would highly appreciate your inputs.tia!:)
 

Hershal

Metrologist-Auditor
Staff member
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Re: Sampling Definition I.A.W. 17025 - Does sampling apply to calibration laboratorie

You should be able to unless your folks are going and getting the fluid that you test. Then you would need to address it. However if the production folks get the sample for you then you likely can state in your manual that you do not sample. Double check with your chosen AB to make sure.
 
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kurikabu

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Re: Sampling Definition I.A.W. 17025 - Does sampling apply to calibration laboratorie

Noted with thanks. I have backread some info regarding "service" laboratories and it is now all clear to me that there is no need to include the "sampling method".

What if one of our client requests for sampling? Will this be auditable if ever we apply for accreditation? tia!
 
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