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Don't you have to record it to know you've only got one or two? You're speaking from a position based on knowledge of the size of the issue. For many, in manufacturing, we don't know how often these things happen, without some kind of tally being kept. It's simply too easy to discuss a situation, created to justify a position and give the wrong impression of what the ISO 9001 requirements do for a business. Yes, you must record non-conformities, yes, you might decide not to do anything about it - but you still need the data and analysis to back that up...
It sounds like it is more a matter of HOW you document. I wonder if, after a couple bent screws are found, that if should be reported to the inspector/auditor. They would then pass that information along to the QC Manager or other QC person of authority. It would be up to that person to make the decision as to HOW to document it.

If it is a very low value item like a screw, he/she may decide to have the processors keep a simple tally of how many bent screws show up each shift and do this over a period of time to determine how big of a problem it is. If he/she determines that it is a big problem, then they might take steps to fix the problem, either with increased raw materials inspections or by contacting the supplier.

If it is a very high value item or a low value item, but a very critical one (for instance a $0.50 bolt, but one that holds the engine in a car), then then he/she might decide to issue a CAR or approach the situation more aggressively.

Just my 2 cents.

QCDave
 
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If it is a very low value item like a screw, he/she may decide to have the processors keep a simple tally of how many bent screws show up each shift and do this over a period of time to determine how big of a problem it is. If he/she determines that it is a big problem, then they might take steps to fix the problem, either with increased raw materials inspections or by contacting the supplier.
My thoughts too...good post.

I highlighted the "If" and "Might" in red, since it presupposes the possibility of determining that it isn't worth addressing as well...
Perhaps :deadhorse:...but it is easy to fall into the trap of thinking that everything non-ideal must be documented...and clogging an otherwise good system with NVA or LVA work.

As Scott said, as have others...it really is all about risk.
 
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