Seeking ISO 9001 and ANSI Z10 crosswalk (cross reference matrix)

[clwelker]

Would anyone have a cross walk, a matrix showing where the ANSI Z10 headings fit into the QM? ANSI/AIHA Z10 recivedfinal approval by ANSI and it will be issued in September.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

As a Management System Standard, ANSI Z10 would have certain common requirements with ISO 9001, such as management reviews, corrective and preventive actions, internal audits, etc... but since Z10 is an Occupational Health & Safety Standard, it does not "fall under" the QM. You can definitely find ways to optimize and integrate Q with OH&S, but the two systems are aiming at two different aspects of your business.

 

[clwelker]

Might the statment in the Quality policy change your answer to Z 10?

Thanks for responding. Here is the crux of the matter: The qulaitry policy is specific to the issue that quality, risk and safety go hand in hand. Does that change your mind on the issue?

"Quality Policy
Chem One Ltd. wants to be our customers' preferred supplier for products we can safely handle. Chem One is committed to comply with the requirements of the ISO 9001:2000 standard and our customers' requirements. We strive to continually improve the effectiveness of our management systems within a framework of supportable structures designed to reduce commercial, regulatory, environmental, safety, health and security risks.

Quality Goal
Continuously improve our commercial performance within a framework of defensible systems designed to minimize litigation, commercial, regulatory, environmental, safety, health and security risks."

My thoughts are that I better be able to integrate Z 10 to demonstate that the quality policy has been implemented.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

My thoughts are that I better be able to integrate Z 10 to demonstate that the quality policy has been implemented.

Following that line of thought you would have to implement ISO 14001 (or something equivalent) because you mentioned the word environment. Ditto for the word security.

If you want to implement ANSI Z10, that is great. But just because you mentioned the word safety in the "Q policy", it does not mean that YOU HAVE to do it.
PS I had several comments about the policy statement and the goal, but I think it is better if we leave that alone.
PS2 If you were to implement Z10, you would probably be one of the first organizations in the World to do so. As you mentioned yourself, the document is scheduled for publication in the near future, after a looooong delay.

 

[BSMITH]

Z10 Implementation

Following that line of thought you would have to implement ISO 14001 (or something equivalent) because you mentioned the word environment. Ditto for the word security.

If you want to implement ANSI Z10, that is great. But just because you mentioned the word safety in the "Q policy", it does not mean that YOU HAVE to do it.
PS I had several comments about the policy statement and the goal, but I think it is better if we leave that alone.
PS2 If you were to implement Z10, you would probably be one of the first organizations in the World to do so. As you mentioned yourself, the document is scheduled for publication in the near future, after a looooong delay.

I understand from our contractor's safety officer that OSHA will be pushing (if not requiring) Z10 for VPP facilities. The Department of Energy Strategic Petroleum Reserve may also be implementing Z10 soon -- particularly if OSHA aggressively pushes it. We have held off on implementing OHSAS 18001 because of Z10.

 

[clwelker]

Following that line of thought you would have to implement ISO 14001 (or something equivalent) because you mentioned the word environment. Ditto for the word security.

If you want to implement ANSI Z10, that is great. But just because you mentioned the word safety in the "Q policy", it does not mean that YOU HAVE to do it.
PS I had several comments about the policy statement and the goal, but I think it is better if we leave that alone.
PS2 If you were to implement Z10, you would probably be one of the first organizations in the World to do so. As you mentioned yourself, the document is scheduled for publication in the near future, after a looooong delay.

RE: "PS I had several comments about the policy statement and the goal, but I think it is better if we leave that alone": Please do make the comments, it would be very much appreciated. The rgistrar allowed the policy but he raised his eyebrows several times before he accepted it. Maybe you can shed some light on it.

 

[Randy]

I understand from our contractor's safety officer that OSHA will be pushing (if not requiring) Z10 for VPP facilities. The Department of Energy Strategic Petroleum Reserve may also be implementing Z10 soon -- particularly if OSHA aggressively pushes it. We have held off on implementing OHSAS 18001 because of Z10.

If you can show an advantage of Z10 over 18001 take it. Remember though, 18001 is internationally recognized (also supported and developed) and Z10 isn't. The big issue for folks that have to do an OHSMS because of business concerns is whether or not Z10 will be acceptable or not outside the US.

A question that comes up is:

Who is going to provide the 3rd party assessing services and how are they to be accredited? (or will just any jackleg safety guy/company be able to do it?)

 

[clwelker]

Will Z 10 will set a standard for US companies to comply with due diligence requirements in tort cases?

It is a US standard and someone might use to make a claim that a firm was negligent if it fails to consider the elements it includes.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Who is going to provide the 3rd party assessing services and how are they to be accredited? (or will just any jackleg safety guy/company be able to do it?)

Randy, ANAB will shortly start an accreditation scheme for the ANSI Z10 document. Read this here. But, I am sure, you already new that, didn't you?

 

[Randy]

Yeah, pretty much. The thing (Z10) costs $65 for non-members BTW. My copy is on the way.