Seeking Opinions: Internal Audit Flowchart

[Claes Gefvenberg]

IA flowchart - opinions...

How about some Internal audit flowcharts? What have you got? I'll start us off with our version (It is not intended to be a stand-alone chart. We use a bit of text too), and would like to hear your comments.



/Claes

Ok.. I changed the attachment to a linked picture instead....

 

[energy]

Re: IA flowchart - opinions...

Claes Gefvenberg said:

How about some Internal audit flowcharts? ... would like to hear your comments.

/Claes

How about moving Martin G.'s ia flowchart here. I'd do it, but you da man!


here's the page https://elsmar.com/elsmarqualityforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6249&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

Re: Re: IA flowchart - opinions...

Ouch... Call me absent minded and I'll agree Anyway, I think your link will suffice... Thank's.

/Claes

 

[energy]

Jim Wade said:

3 The role of the 'auditee' in your case seems to be (in the course of the audit) only to "answer the questions". Can they not ask a question or two about the system? enter into a discussion? have a moan about another department of their manager? propose an improvement? and so on...

rgds Jim

Absolutely not. Beyond the scope agreed to in the pre-audit meeting. Oh no, here we go again. Why have a meeting? If their question involves further discussion of the area being audited, fine. This is not a time for discussion of anything else, on company time. Besides, get them back to work, ASAP. JMSO, of course.

 

[energy]

Hey, Girl!

Nosmo King said:

Dear energy - don't be so reactionary!!

Are internal audits not about improvement? Is the audit not an opportunity to help make true the principle of "involvement of people"?

It's really not reactionary. We had a thread where we discussed the age old practice of having an opening meeting and there were contrary opinions. I say, stick to the audit scope discussed and let's not dally into other areas, unless you are paying them to do so. Know what I mean, Nos.. Nos.. Nosmo? What we would like to have and what can be achieved by little parlays on the side, have their benefits. Just keep them short and get back to work. Ever heard of the shell game? Distractions with the aim to subvert? It's not about being comfy. It's about being, Oh My God I'm going to use that word, "effective". JMHO. Hey, how the heck are you?

 

[Claes Gefvenberg]

Jim Wade said:

Two comments:

1 Personally, I detest the term 'auditee' - it signifies, IMO, a person to whom an audit is done! And anyway, the term 'auditee' refers to an organization not a person.

3 The role of the 'auditee' in your case seems to be (in the course of the audit) only to "answer the questions". Can they not ask a question or two about the system? enter into a discussion? have a moan about another department of their manager? propose an improvement? and so on...

Thanks Jim (Nosmo or whoever you are this week),

1. Actually, I detest it too, but I used it for lack of a substitute (I translated the chart on the fly, in about 3 minutes before posting it).

2. Don't let anyone out of the building... No 2 is missing (Gotcha, Jim)

3. Yes, certainly. A discussion is always welcome.

/Claes

P.s 1. I'll change that attachment to a link instead next week. That way everyone will be able to view it. Added later: Ok, done. The chart should be visible to all now... See the first post in this thread.

P.s 2. This format is what I use for all flowcharts in our procedures... They all have the same look.

D.s. Nosmo, Energy is not really reactionary... Under that rough surface you'll find a heart of solid.... well, let's just say that deep down he's a softie and we all know it (ooops, ruined his image.... Sorry, Energy )