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Self Certification & Self Issued Certificate? ISO 14001

SteelMaiden

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Re: self certification certificate?

But I don't think this is intended to deceive. I can attest that we are compliant and have had many customers visit who are amazed at how clean our plant is. We are not a waste producer but a recycling company. At this point in time it isn't cost effective to go for accredited certification. It is my plan to pursue that as soon as possible.

What I need to do is develop something that visually shows we are following an ISO 14001 EMS program. So for those who have self-certified what did you do to illustrate your compliance?

Linda
You are not trying to deceive, but once you create some sort of certificate I am willing to bet that not all your customers will look at it in the spirit that YOU intended. :2cents:
 
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Ted Schmitt

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Re: self certification certificate?

What I need to do is develop something that visually shows we are following an ISO 14001 EMS program.
Along with a self declaration (done by you on your letterhead) on your website, why not include the audit report done which shows EVIDENCE that your organization does indeed have a EMS based on ISO 14001. You could also include the credentials of the auditor (is he a registered IRCA OR RAB auditor?)

Just a thought...
 
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vsedriver

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Re: self certification certificate?

You are not trying to deceive, but once you create some sort of certificate I am willing to bet that not all your customers will look at it in the spirit that YOU intended. :2cents:
and that's my dilemma. It is definitely not my intention to deceive but convincing management on how to illustrate our status is my problem.
 
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Re: self certification certificate?

But management would like a certificate for the sales staff and to put on our website.
You can eaisly self-declare, but if management wants a certificate for sales and marketing, then perhaps it would be better you to engage a registrar and go all the way.

I see no value in developing a certificate that states that you are self-certifying. A letter of self-declaration would be more appropriate, IMNSHO
 

Coury Ferguson

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Re: self certification certificate?

But I don't think this is intended to deceive. I can attest that we are compliant and have had many customers visit who are amazed at how clean our plant is. We are not a waste producer but a recycling company. At this point in time it isn't cost effective to go for accredited certification. It is my plan to pursue that as soon as possible.

What I need to do is develop something that visually shows we are following an ISO 14001 EMS program. So for those who have self-certified what did you do to illustrate your compliance?

Linda
Linda,

Why not get an accredited Registrar to perform the audit?

You would, in my opinion, be misleading/misrepresenting yourself, to potential customers. :caution:
 

Wes Bucey

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Re: self certification certificate?

Along with a self declaration (done by you on your letterhead) on your website, why not include the audit report done which shows EVIDENCE that your organization does indeed have a EMS based on ISO 14001. You could also include the credentials of the auditor (is he a registered IRCA OR RAB auditor?)

Just a thought...
I LIKE this idea. Years and years ago, when QS9000 first raised its ugly head, small companies like mine were encouraged to get certificates of registration by some automotive oems who wanted us as suppliers, but the oems were stunned to learn we weren't willing to pay some third party to say we were as good as WE said we were.

At that point, some oems relented and sent suppliers "Self Assessment" forms to complete, by which they would individually approve each small supplier unwilling to go the third party route.

We found the form to be a wonderful marketing tool - we made the form into three columns - form question - our response - blank [explained below] and printed copies for each customer and prospect

In the first column, we retyped the original question [clause]. In the second, we typed in an expansive response with details of how we actually complied with that specific clause. The third [blank] column we left as an invitation to current or prospective customers to come in and compare their own observation with our response in the second column. We really glitzed it up with glossy paper, photos, etc.

We brought or sent a copy to serious prospects and NEVER had anybody come in to do their own observation - a frequent customer comment was, "If you have the competence and nerve to put this together to send to us, we believe you have the capability and capacity to do what we want and we don't need to call your bluff, IF it is a bluff."

The "Devil is in the details," and the details told the story more convincingly than a mere "certificate."
 

SteelMaiden

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yep Wes, those'd be the days I was referring to...of course, once you went to all that work said customers pointed out the fact that if you had already accomplished all of that, you might as well call in the registrar.:lmao:
 

Wes Bucey

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yep Wes, those'd be the days I was referring to...of course, once you went to all that work said customers pointed out the fact that if you had already accomplished all of that, you might as well call in the registrar.:lmao:
I did have one jerk say that - I told him, "write me the check and I'll do it in a heartbeat." My formal approval from him came by Federal Express the following day and I never heard another word about "third party" from that oem again.
 
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vsedriver

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Re: self certification certificate?

Linda,

Why not get an accredited Registrar to perform the audit?:caution:
that is my goal. But since we are a very small company we don't have the financial resources for that yet.

We are doing the plan and simply want to show that. I've already had EMRs from some clients visit and they were impressed with our program. This was before we had the audit. So I know we are doing well, we just can't afford an accredited Registrar yet.

I want to thank everyone for their help and I will be issuing a Declaration of Compliance and include the 3rd party audit report.:thanx:
 
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Aaron Lupo

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Re: self certification certificate?

that is my goal. But since we are a very small company we don't have the financial resources for that yet.

We are doing the plan and simply want to show that. I've already had EMRs from some clients visit and they were impressed with our program. This was before we had the audit. So I know we are doing well, we just can't afford an accredited Registrar yet.

I want to thank everyone for their help and I will be issuing a Declaration of Compliance and include the 3rd party audit report.:thanx:
I have to ask, did you contact an accredted registrar for a quote, if not then how do you know it cost too much?

What did you pay the independent party to perform this service and were they qualified?
 
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