Self Proclamation of ISO 9001 Certification and Compliance

[Randy]

OHSAS 18001:1999 may be BSI published, but here are the organizations that contributed to it's development and management

National Standards Authority of Ireland
South African Bureau of Standards
British Standards Institution
Bureau Veritas Quality International
Det Norske Veritas
Lloyds Register Quality Assurance
National Quality Assurance
SFS Certification
SGS Yarsley International Certification Services
Asociacion Espana ola de Normalizacion y Certificacion
International Safety Management Organisation Ltd
Standards and Industry Research Institute of Malaysia (Quality Assurance Services)
International Certification Services

This is an internationally accepted "Specification" soon to be published as a "Standard" (2007) So it's not really BSI's alone.

And yes, there are certificates of Registration issued similar to the ones for 9001, 14001, AS, TS and others, they just don't have an Accreditation Body logo affixed to them. The process for registration is performed "exactly" the same as it is for ISO 14001, with no deviation from IAF Guide 66 requirements, including those for Auditor Time. From what I understand BSI is not alone in this. The requirements for auditors and auditor competence is equally applied, following the guidance in ISO 19011:2002, even though there is no accreditation scheme for the 18001 based system.

BTW...nobody has yet been able to come up with enough money to entice me to give a bullsh*t recommendation for registration. I can also say, without any doubt, that any systems I've looked at that were previously handled by any competitor have been good, valid and proper.

Beyond this I am prohibited from saying much more.

 

[Coury Ferguson]

OHSAS 18001:1999 may be BSI published, but here are the organizations that contributed to it's development and management

National Standards Authority of Ireland
South African Bureau of Standards
British Standards Institution
Bureau Veritas Quality International
Det Norske Veritas
Lloyds Register Quality Assurance
National Quality Assurance
SFS Certification
SGS Yarsley International Certification Services
Asociacion Espana ola de Normalizacion y Certificacion
International Safety Management Organisation Ltd
Standards and Industry Research Institute of Malaysia (Quality Assurance Services)
International Certification Services

This is an internationally accepted "Specification" soon to be published as a "Standard" (2007) So it's not really BSI's alone.

And yes, there are certificates of Registration issued similar to the ones for 9001, 14001, AS, TS and others, they just don't have an Accreditation Body logo affixed to them. The process for registration is performed "exactly" the same as it is for ISO 14001, with no deviation from IAF Guide 66 requirements, including those for Auditor Time. From what I understand BSI is not alone in this. The requirements for auditors and auditor competence is equally applied, following the guidance in ISO 19011:2002, even though there is accreditation scheme for the 18001 based system.

Thanks for the information Randy. I have learned something new.

BTW...nobody has yet been able to come up with enough money to entice me to give a bullsh*t recommendation for registration. I can also say, without any doubt, that any systems I've looked at that were previously handled by any competitor have been good, valid and proper.

Beyond this I am prohibited from saying much more.

This shows a high Ethical Standard (or that there isn't enough $$$ in the world ), Randy.

 

[Jim Wynne]

BTW...nobody has yet been able to come up with enough money to entice me to give a bullsh*t recommendation for registration.

You mean $20 and a long lunch at Hooters won't do it?

 

[gpainter]

This thread seems to focus on the ICSCA (Industry Cooperation on Standards and Conformity Assessment) and their 40 Resolution Manifesto, as I believe that it was called. In April of 98 there were 58 members including : Bell Labs, Boeing, Ford, GM, HP, IBM, UT, Texas Instruments, Lucent, etc. They were calling for self-declarition to ISO by the year 2005, mainly due to the high cost of registration. Resolution 9 covered ISO 9000,Resolution 17 covered ISO 14001,Resolution 19 covered Occupational Health and Safety, Resolution 25 covered Social Accountability and Resolution cover the distribution of standards "free of charge",which has been discussed in other threads.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

This thread seems to focus on the ICSCA (Industry Cooperation on Standards and Conformity Assessment) and their 40 Resolution Manifesto, as I believe that it was called. In April of 98 there were 58 members including : Bell Labs, Boeing, Ford, GM, HP, IBM, UT, Texas Instruments, Lucent, etc. They were calling for self-declarition to ISO by the year 2005, mainly due to the high cost of registration. Resolution 9 covered ISO 9000,Resolution 17 covered ISO 14001,Resolution 19 covered Occupational Health and Safety, Resolution 25 covered Social Accountability and Resolution cover the distribution of standards "free of charge",which has been discussed in other threads.

Thanks for bringing this up. I did a quick search and found this position paper on management system certification. It gives a lot of ammunition to the detractors of 3rd party certification. I will take the time to read it carefully. It should be noted that it was pressure from organizations such as Motorola and HP that led to the Accreditation Bodies allowing for "Alternative Certification Methods", such as the "Advanced Surveillance and Reassessment Procedure" endorsed by the latest version of the IAF Guidance to ISO Guide 62 and subject of ANAB's recent Heads Up document.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

You mean $20 and a long lunch at Hooters won't do it?

Jim, why start that high? Any Negotiations Skills 101 course tells you to start low and negotiate in small increments...

 

[Randy]

Thanks for the information Randy. I have learned something new.
This shows a high Ethical Standard (or that there isn't enough $$$ in the world ), Randy.

Kinda both. I'm ethically bound to not sell myself whatever the offer

 

[Jim Wynne]

Kinda both. I'm ethically bound to not sell myself whatever the offer

I think it's interesting that while there might be all kinds of talk about the ethics of the higher levels of the certification/registration/holy benediction business, I've never heard any suggestion that any auditors themselves might be lining their pockets, though lord knows there are lots of opportunities and temptations in that direction.

 

[Sidney Vianna]

I think it's interesting that while there might be all kinds of talk about the ethics of the higher levels of the certification/registration/holy benediction business, I've never heard any suggestion that any auditors themselves might be lining their pockets, though lord knows there are lots of opportunities and temptations in that direction.

You missed this old discussion, then.

 

[Randy]

I think it's interesting that while there might be all kinds of talk about the ethics of the higher levels of the certification/registration/holy benediction business, I've never heard any suggestion that any auditors themselves might be lining their pockets, though lord knows there are lots of opportunities and temptations in that direction.

There is probably potential like this in most areas of endeavor. I know that I was offered some serious enticement (monetary and other...woo, woo ) on more than one occasion when I was in law enforcement. That dog didn't bark and had a tendancy to bite really bad when it happened. In my present trappings it has never come up or even reared its head to any degree, and I don't think that it is an issue of any great concern in the industry...or at least I hope it hasn't been a major concern. I've never heard of it, maybe some others have, but not me.