Semiconductor Supplement to TS 16949 - Is the Semiconductor Supplement obsolete?

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vanputten

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What is the status of the Semiconductor Supplement to TS 16949. Is it an auditable document? May customers require registration to this document as a specific requirement? Can I get a 3rd party registration to this document? Any information on the future of this document in addition to its current status?

Thank you, Dirk van Putten
 
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That was my understanding as well Marc, however Dirk's customer can always require compliance to it anyway which would make it a customer specific requirement under 16949 and therefore auditable. The customer cannot require registration to it if it's obsolete but there should be no reason why he can't incorporate it into his own requirements (copyright aside).

I would check first with the customer to see if it really is still a requirement and if so, ask your registrar if he can include compliance to it in your scope. I for one, would be interested in his comments.

Dave
 
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vanputten

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Hello All:

Here is the background to my question. The Semiconductor Assembly Council played a role in the Semiconductor Supplement. I called the SAC and they thought that maybe the Semiconductor Supplement was never approved as standard. They suggested I call Tripp Martin at the International Automotive Oversight Bureau. The IAOB is the US Certification Body of the International Automotive Task Force (IATF). Tripp said that Chrysler had remove the supplement as a customer specific requirement due to an organizational / supply chain reorganization. Tripp beleived that the supplement was an approved standard and had not been obsoleted. Our registrar told us that the supplement is an obsolete document and they could not perform a 3rd party audit to it.

This is why I asked the question. The SAC, IAOB, and our registrar all have different opinions on the Semiconductor Supplement to TS 16949.

Regards, Dirk
 

Sidney Vianna

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Dirk, I did some search on this and found that at the AIAG website they have an announcement (could not find a date, though) here. It states that a Guidance document was being developed and to be used IN CONJUCTION with TS-16949.

Then I went to some of the customer Specific Requirements page available at the IAOB website and found that Ford states

  1. [*]Semi-Conductor suppliers may register to ISO/TS 16949:2002, providing they meet the scope requirements. They may also be eligible to register to QS-9000 Semi-Conductor Supplement. See the SQRTF (Supplier Quality Requirements Task Force) letter on QS-9000 supplements at
    https://web2.qpr.ford.com/sta/. The QS-9000 supplements are available through AIAG: http://www.aiag.org/.
I could swear I had seen a TS-16949 Semiconductor Supplement and an announcement in the IAOB website in the past....
 
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vanputten

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Hello Sidney:

I posses a copy of the TS 16949 Semiconductor Supplement. No where in it does it state that it is a draft, etc. It appears to be a fully released customer specific requirement document. The initial release was 3/1/2003. The Foreward refers to the Automtoive Electronics Council and to the President of Omnex. I think I will contact them tomorrow.

I saw a posting on the IAOB website that stated the Semiconductor Supplement was obsoleted for Chysler customers. This posting is no longer on the IAOB website.

Regards, Dirk
 

Marc

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Thanks for the info, Dirk. Where did you get the copy you have? Is it electronic or paper?
 
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vanputten

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My copy of the Semiconductor Supplement is electronic and I inherited it when I took the job. My employer provided the document.

I just searched the internet to see if I could purchase a copy of the Semiconductor Supplement. In the US, the IATF publications are sold by the AIAG. The AIAG does not have the Semiconductor Supplement for sale. Based on this alone I would say the document is not a published standard. The IATF and the AIAG don't even sell it. The ASQ and ANSI don't sell it either. How can there be a standard but it is not available for purchase?

Regards, Dirk
 

Sidney Vianna

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Dirk, I found my copy of the document too. I believe this document falls under, or has been replaced by other CSR documents.

Section I.2 of the document states:


I.2 Purpose




This customer specific, commodity document provides a consistent interpretation between DaimlerChrysler, Delphi Corporation and Visteon Corporation of ISO/TS-16949 and communicates additional common system requirements unique to the producers of semiconductor devices.



 
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