Shipbuilding Product Quality Certification Schemes

SteelMaiden

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Folks, I had a communication from our marketing guy explaining that there have been inquiries about our ability to supply steel to European shipbuilding certifications. We are already have our certificate for quality assurance from the American Bureau of Shipping and are approved for several grades of steel. The communication we received stated that we would need the following shipbuilding certifications for exports: DNV and GL. Now, I understand where the ABS certification might not be acceptable in Europe (well, not really) but why am I being told we need GL certification for Germany and DNV for Norway Finland and Spain? What happened to international standardization? Any thoughts? Should I fight multiple certification? Should I just bite the bullet? I am about to get certificated to death. I have people telling me we need to go NQA-1, CE, DNV Shipbuilding, GL Shipbuilding, LofL Shipbuilding. I am a one person dept. Help, I'm drowning in alphabet certifications!
 
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Folks, I had a communication from our marketing guy explaining that there have been inquiries about our ability to supply steel to European shipbuilding certifications. We are already have our certificate for quality assurance from the American Bureau of Shipping and are approved for several grades of steel. The communication we received stated that we would need the following shipbuilding certifications for exports: DNV and GL. Now, I understand where the ABS certification might not be acceptable in Europe (well, not really) but why am I being told we need GL certification for Germany and DNV for Norway Finland and Spain? What happened to international standardization? Any thoughts? Should I fight multiple certification? Should I just bite the bullet? I am about to get certificated to death. I have people telling me we need to go NQA-1, CE, DNV Shipbuilding, GL Shipbuilding, LofL Shipbuilding. I am a one person dept. Help, I'm drowning in alphabet certifications!
The maritime classification societies (ABS, LR, DNV, BV, GL, NKK etc.) require steel mills to undergo specific approval processes when supplying steel for use in the hulls of ships being built (or repaired) under their class notations. The ship classification business is very old-fashioned traditional and the rules are very regimented. There is nothing very little you can do about it. As long as your mill is supplying material to a shipyard, you will have to endure enjoy the working relationship with the respective classification society.
 

SteelMaiden

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So, grin and bear it, eh? Wow, that sucks, I guess it is time to ask for an assistant. I don't think that I can handle implementing 5 or 6 more product quality schemes, plus I think 18001 is rolling down the alley at me too. :truce::whip:
 

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So, grin and bear it, eh? Wow, that sucks, I guess it is time to ask for an assistant. I don't think that I can handle implementing 5 or 6 more product quality schemes, plus I think 18001 is rolling down the alley at me too. :truce::whip:
Hello SteelMaiden,

Contact a(n) (engineering) College in North- or South Carolina and find out if there would be an engineering student available/willing to coop at your company. Great opportunity for this engineering student to learn the "certification ropes."

What do you think?

Stijloor.
 
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Hi Steel - This is right in my zone - I used to be a Naval Architect (still am I guess) before moving into QM and I worked for a certification body (smaller ships than the ones you are talking about but the same process).

Sidney is right, the Class Society system is very old fashioned - but there has been some progress in recent years. Have a talk to the local offices of DNV, GL, Lloyds, BV, NKK etc because most will recognise another Class certification, and if not ABS most will recognise DNV so you might only need to maintain those - not all.
 

SteelMaiden

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Stijloor, thanks for the thoughts about the colleges. We actually do have some things going with them, this could be another opportunity.

James, thank you for your information. We do hold several grade approvals and ABS quality assurance certification now. It isn't that these are such hard things to achieve, it is just so much time and money to stay certified, but that is the cheap me speaking. It is good to know that there may be some cross recognition between the schemes.:thanx:
 

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From http://www.dnv.com/maritime/shipclassification/cmc/Material_tech/Approval_of_manufacturers.asp

Approval of manufacturers.

Approval of Manufacturer is a qualification scheme for manufacturers of metallic materials. The objective is to verify that the manufacturer can produce specific grades or types of materials that conforms to the Rules.

In order to be approved, the manufacturer is required to demonstrate and submit documentation to the effect that the necessary manufacturing, testing and inspection facilities are available and are supervised by qualified personnel. The manufacturer is also to carry out a test programme and submit the results.
The present works approval scheme does not concern management systems, and is therefore nothing to do with ISO 9000. The scheme is rather a technical product approval, quite similar to Type Approval. Nor does works approval remove the need for subsequent certification of materials. Once a manufacturer obtains his works approval, however, a quality system certification may be beneficial in reducing our scope of involvement during material certification, reference is made to MSA.
An Approval of Manufacturer Certificate has four years validity.
A list of Approved Manufacturers is available on DNV Internet Site (Type Approved Products). The site is updated once a weeek.
 
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James Gutherson

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Stijloor, thanks for the thoughts about the colleges. We actually do have some things going with them, this could be another opportunity.

James, thank you for your information. We do hold several grade approvals and ABS quality assurance certification now. It isn't that these are such hard things to achieve, it is just so much time and money to stay certified, but that is the cheap me speaking. It is good to know that there may be some cross recognition between the schemes.:thanx:
Yea - the money side of things is something they won't share between each other :rolleyes:. Llyod's of London Insurance got themselves to the position they are because of their initial involvement in the Classification business.
 

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So, grin and bear it, eh? Wow, that sucks, I guess it is time to ask for an assistant. I don't think that I can handle implementing 5 or 6 more product quality schemes, plus I think 18001 is rolling down the alley at me too. :truce::whip:
Well, at least you didn't mention that you also have to have ISO/IEC 17025, 17020, and ISO Guide 65...............:cool:
 

SteelMaiden

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Well, at least you didn't mention that you also have to have ISO/IEC 17025, 17020, and ISO Guide 65...............:cool:
Well, I haven't gotten into any of the actual requirements Hersh. I may still have to do that, and what about A2LA? Please tell me that none of these customers are going to require us to go TS! Surely we can find a few others too?
 
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