Hi All,
It's been a while, I know, I'm sorry! Hope you're all OK.
I am just reviewing our latest TS16949 re-cert audit NC's (all Minor thankfully! and I have just noted that one refers to Rule 6.5 of the IATF TS rules.
As far as I can see this finding relates to no clause in the standard, FYI the finding was:
Whilst TS 16949 elements have been cross referenced to procedures, the procedures have not been cross referenced to the processes defined in the process map (Rules 6.5).
Is this a valid NC? I'm not disputing its merit, but I don't think it's fair to audit us against something we as an organisation are not following (perhaps we should be!), we are certified to a standard that has clauses that we are bound to meet, but not the rules! The standard makes no requirement for the above specifically.
This is going down against why I am highly opposed to the methodology of certified and audited management systems. But that's a whole other subject that eventually I'll write a paper about, but for now I am after everyone's input on this.
It's been a while, I know, I'm sorry! Hope you're all OK.
I am just reviewing our latest TS16949 re-cert audit NC's (all Minor thankfully! and I have just noted that one refers to Rule 6.5 of the IATF TS rules.
As far as I can see this finding relates to no clause in the standard, FYI the finding was:
Whilst TS 16949 elements have been cross referenced to procedures, the procedures have not been cross referenced to the processes defined in the process map (Rules 6.5).
Is this a valid NC? I'm not disputing its merit, but I don't think it's fair to audit us against something we as an organisation are not following (perhaps we should be!), we are certified to a standard that has clauses that we are bound to meet, but not the rules! The standard makes no requirement for the above specifically.
This is going down against why I am highly opposed to the methodology of certified and audited management systems. But that's a whole other subject that eventually I'll write a paper about, but for now I am after everyone's input on this.
