Should ISO 9001:2008 be treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120A?

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ode29

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I recently requested a copy of ISO 9001:2008 from the company I work for to read alongside AS9120A, but was told that since ISO 9001:2008 is incorporated into AS9120A I should not require a copy. I would appreciate some clarification on whether ISO 9001:2008 should be treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120A when both are present or is there no requirement to reference ISO 9001:2008 when we are AS9120A certified? I notice that they are both listed side by side on our certificate.

Any clarification would be highly appreciated.
 
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Re: Should ISO 9001:2008 be treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120

I'm not sure what your question is! You are certified to AS9120? If so, your question about "treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120" is confusing. Your first comment is your answer - AS 9120 are requirements on top of or additional to ISO 9001:2008.
 

John Broomfield

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Re: Should ISO 9001:2008 be treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120

I recently requested a copy of ISO 9001:2008 from the company I work for to read alongside AS9120A, but was told that since ISO 9001:2008 is incorporated into AS9120A I should not require a copy. I would appreciate some clarification on whether ISO 9001:2008 should be treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120A when both are present or is there no requirement to reference ISO 9001:2008 when we are AS9120A certified? I notice that they are both listed side by side on our certificate.

Any clarification would be highly appreciated.
ode,

In the bad old days folk used to write a set of documents for each standard and then name each "QMS" after the standard.

These days we develop the process-based management system that actually runs the organization so it helps the organization to fulfill its mission while conforming to any number of adopted management system standards.

Both system standards can be used can be used together or separately. Indeed, a non-aerospace company may prefer only to know than their supplier's management system conforms to ISO 9001.

John
 

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Re: Should ISO 9001:2008 be treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120

I recently requested a copy of ISO 9001:2008 from the company I work for to read alongside AS9120A, but was told that since ISO 9001:2008 is incorporated into AS9120A I should not require a copy. I would appreciate some clarification on whether ISO 9001:2008 should be treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120A when both are present or is there no requirement to reference ISO 9001:2008 when we are AS9120A certified? I notice that they are both listed side by side on our certificate.

Any clarification would be highly appreciated.
AS9120 is for distributor in the Aerospace Industry and they follow the path of ISO 9001.

What that means is the every item or clause of ISO 9001 is part of AS9120. However, AS9120 incorporates additional requirements (Which are printed in bold letter) in the standard so you are getting ISO 9001 plus AS9120 requirements in one standard.

Hope this helps or think of AS9120 for distributor in steroids.
 

Big Jim

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Re: Should ISO 9001:2008 be treated as a standalone quality standard alongside AS9120

Unlike AS9100, there are two clauses in AS9120 that are included in ISO 9001 that are automatically excluded in AS9120.

Let me state it in a different way.

AS9120 automatically excludes 7.3 (design & development) and 7.5.2 (validation of special processes).

If you intend to treat a portion of your business as ISO 9001, you need to address how you will handle those two clauses. If you are strictly a distributorship, you may be able to exclude them for ISO 9001 as well.
 
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