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Should manufacturing efficiency be a quality function? Yes or No?

Should manufacturing efficiency be a quality function? Yes or No? Please comment.

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 51.4%

  • No

    Votes: 17 48.6%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    35
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confused1

#41
#41
bmccabe said:
I just overheard one of our quality folks pitching a fit. Apparently, quality is now to analyze manufacturing efficiency, and trend the down time/parts per minute rate n’such. The offended quality staffer thinks that should be a MFG ENG function. Personally, I can see this analysis bringing some much needed “value added” to the quality group – Why not do it?

What do you all think?
Should manufacturing efficiency be a quality function? Y or N?
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Seems to me that this is a golden opportunity for Quality to demonstrate to management (if they have'nt already) that they are in the SAME corner as management.
As you increase efficiency, you decrease downtime- and get more stuff out the door. At the same time you can be looking for ways to improve the processes so that as you get more out the door, it is also better.
That's the theory, but implentation of it ....

Sounds to me like a pretty good quality function.
 
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Domoreto

Domoreto

Registered Visitor
#42
#42
Actualy - It is a quality function. You don't have FIFO, JIT, etc without it...
But do I like monitoring/capturing/reporting it - NO NO NO . :nope:
 
H

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#43
#43
Domoreto said:
Actualy - It is a quality function. You don't have FIFO, JIT, etc without it...
But do I like monitoring/capturing/reporting it - NO NO NO . :nope:
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Mfg. Efficiency is a measurable of the manufacturing process, because it measures the efficiency of the manufacturing process. It does not measure the efficiency of the Quality process. There is certainly some linkage, but ISO wants us to measure the performance of each process, not just of the organization.

The Quality process does not make the manufacturing process more or less efficient. Quality personnel are just the internal specialists to help judge the product output. Manufacturing made the parts. Not Quality.
 
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ralphsulser

#44
#44
hjilling said:
Mfg. Efficiency is a measurable of the manufacturing process, because it measures the efficiency of the manufacturing process. It does not measure the efficiency of the Quality process. There is certainly some linkage, but ISO wants us to measure the performance of each process, not just of the organization.

The Quality process does not make the manufacturing process more or less efficient. Quality personnel are just the internal specialists to help judge the product output. Manufacturing made the parts. Not Quality.
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This is it exactly. Finally a voice of respected knowledge to put this to bed.
 
C

Cordon - 2007

#45
#45
I agree with everything that you said except this:

hjilling said:
Quality personnel are just the internal specialists to help judge the product output.
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Being from a smaller company maybe I'm just lucky to be directly involved with process design/improvement/efficiency. Hope I didn't miss something. :bonk: Again!
 
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jrubio

#46
#46
Yes:

What is manufacturing efficiency?

in terms of engineering efficiency is:

efficiency= What is obtained / Maximum it could be obtained.

Therefore manufacturing efficiency ifor my interpretation:

manufacturing efficiency= Parts obtained / max parts could be obtained.

Therefore of caurse it is a good index to meassure the process manufacturing and by this a quality function.

:bonk:
 
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jrubio

#48
#48
Sorry the program submit 3 times the same post and do not le me delete it.
 
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Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#50
#50
Cordon said:
I agree with everything that you said except this:



Being from a smaller company maybe I'm just lucky to be directly involved with process design/improvement/efficiency. Hope I didn't miss something. :bonk: Again!
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I was not diminishing the value of quality personnel. They are internal experts, typically higher than operators have. My point was that they do not make quality, they are specialists who evaluate and determine quality already in the part. As such, they should not be held accountable for the quality level, they are reporters.

(There are other activities as well, such as improvement and corrective action, but that is another topic.)
 
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