Should transfer of certificates be better scrutinized by accreditation bodies?

Should certificate transfers be better scrutinized by AB's?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • I don't have an opinion

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Total voters
    6
  • Poll closed .
R

Reg Morrison

#1
As most of us know, organizations certified to different standards, decide to transfer their certificates to other certification bodies for all kinds of reasons, such as poor service, bad auditing, ease of scheduling, cb accreditation scope, etc.

Sometimes, a certified organization might decide to transfer their certificate due to wrong reasons, as well. For example, a competent auditor finds significant nonconformities and the organization does not appreciate the auditor thoroughness. In other words, the auditor is fulfilling his job as a 3rd party auditor, but the company does not appreciate that.

Despite the fact that accredited certificate transfers shall follow the IAF MD 1 document, some shanninigans could be played.

In order to minimize transfer of certificates for the wrong reasons, I suggest that the IAF could institute a requirement to mandate an AB witness of the first audit post transfer. We know that any witnessed audit tends to be much more in depth.

So I propose a poll and ask the covers if they agree with such proposal. And, hopefully, some pros and cons being debated.
 
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somashekar

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#3
The decision to transfer due to wrong reasons will be to go with wrong CB's such that wrong x wrong will be the right paper certificate for such organizations.
The AB's should take up a "clean up drive" to de-recognize such CB's aka what is happening to various NB's across the EU.
The reason to go to such CB's is mostly said as cost, and the previous CB's audit report has hardly any weightage with such CB's who take up transfered business at lower cost and is rubbished under the carpets.
 
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Reg Morrison

#4
Thanks for your valuable opinion, Somashekar. But, when you state
The reason to go to such CB's is mostly said as cost, and the previous CB's audit report has hardly any weightage with such CB's who take up transfered business at lower cost and is rubbished under the carpets.
that does not match my experience. CB's are so eager to poach clients from each other that, as long as the previous cb is duly accredited, irrespective of their reputation, the transfer will happen and the percentage of AB witnessed audits is incredibly low. So, CB's have no incentive to certify only deserving organizations.
 
#5
Thanks for your valuable opinion, Somashekar. But, when you state that does not match my experience. CB's are so eager to poach clients from each other that, as long as the previous cb is duly accredited, irrespective of their reputation, the transfer will happen and the percentage of AB witnessed audits is incredibly low. So, CB's have no incentive to certify only deserving organizations.
Some CBs, Reg, some CBs. I find a lot of people willing to condemn all, based on experiences with a few...
 

somashekar

Staff member
Super Moderator
#6
Morrison., Well, the opening business of many such CB's in itself begins with such customers, who want low cost commodity type certificates. It is more better to have the AB's scrutinize the CB's in more depth than just the transfer of certificate process... IMHO.
 
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