Should we do Incoming Inspection (Receiving Inspection)?

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emmasj

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Hi,

I a bit of a dilema & would appriciate some advice.

We are in the process of implementing TS16949 at our site. We are coming under our 'group' certification as a 'remote location'.
The problem I have is - should we carry out incoming inspection & if we should how to go about it.
As a remote location we receive parts (fasteners) from our manufacturing units as finished goods & semi-finished goods.
We also buy product from outside the group.
We then send semi-finished product out to plating suppliers outside of the group.
We probably receive somewhere in the region of 20million pcs of product a week covering approximately 200 - 300 different products.
What would satisfy TS in this area?

Thanks.

Emma
 
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Dean Frederickson

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

Hi,

I a bit of a dilema & would appriciate some advice.

We are in the process of implementing TS16949 at our site. We are coming under our 'group' certification as a 'remote location'.
The problem I have is - should we carry out incoming inspection & if we should how to go about it.
As a remote location we receive parts (fasteners) from our manufacturing units as finished goods & semi-finished goods.
We also buy product from outside the group.
We then send semi-finished product out to plating suppliers outside of the group.
We probably receive somewhere in the region of 20million pcs of product a week covering approximately 200 - 300 different products.
What would satisfy TS in this area?

Thanks.

Emma



Hello Emma. What is your current procedure for incoming (receiving) insp.? If you have one follow it, if not write one. You can tailor this procedure to meet your needs. If this is a good vendor(s) you can inspect so many shipments and if there are no rejects, put them on your approved suppliers list. Once on your approved suppliers list you won't have to inspect every shipment, if the need arises you can do a dock audit on the shipment in question. Just MHO.
 
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emmasj

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

Hi Dean,

Thanks for your response.

We don't currently have any procedures, our side of the group has never been accredited to any quality system!
All our suppliers are on an Approved Suppliers List as this is controlled by Global Purchasing within the group. The list is open to all our sites & these are the suppliers that must be used. Most of the suppliers have supplied to the group for many years.
Can we get away with just doing an incoming check on the product label against the delivery notes?
Then write a procedure for incoming inspection of product from new suppliers & new product from existing suppliers??

Thanks

Emma
 
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martin elliott

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

See clause 7.4.3.2 Note 4 shall's apply.

You can't avoid all incoming inspection because you will need to justify the effectiveness of your suppliers in some way.

You could try tailoring your inwards inspection levels on the basis of customer complaints etc. No problems then little infrequent inspection. Lots of problems higher frequency.
 
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Dean Frederickson

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

Emma, as long as your suppliers are on a approved suppliers list there is no need for receiving insp., for new suppliers or product change yes write a procedure, remember there should be a history record of acceptable product received with no rejects( a lot of this will depend on how often, how many, and criticalness of parts received) before you can place them on your own approved suppliers list. In response to Martin, this is where you can perform a occasional Dock Audit as stated in my first response to you.

( I am not sure if "criticalness" is actually a word but it sounded good and I think you know what it means, I speak fluent Italian, a lot of German, some Spanish so I forget if all the words I use are real or something I made up.)
 
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emmasj

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

Thanks Martin.

My gut feeling was that we'd have to carry out some form of incoming inspection.
The problem I'm running into is we have no human resource to be able to do this & our MD is extremely reluctant to employ someone to do this!
Could we inspect by supplier rather than by part unless there was a repeated problem with a specific part?
Randomly sample deliveries from each supplier each week using a common incoming audit sheet?

Emma
 

CarolX

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

Thanks Martin.

My gut feeling was that we'd have to carry out some form of incoming inspection.
The problem I'm running into is we have no human resource to be able to do this & our MD is extremely reluctant to employ someone to do this!
Could we inspect by supplier rather than by part unless there was a repeated problem with a specific part?
Randomly sample deliveries from each supplier each week using a common incoming audit sheet?

Emma
Emma -

How are your parts received right now? Does someone do a "count and condition" upon receipt? If you have no issues with parts, set-up a "dock-to-stock" program.

I work for a sheet metal fab shop (non-automotive, so I can't help you on the TS issues). Our sheet stock and our threaded inserts are inspected by the receiving person for "count and condition" only, ditto on the parts received from our platers.

Hope this helps a bit.
 
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emmasj

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

Hi CarolX,

At the moment product documentation (box / pallet labels) is checked to ensure it corresponds with the delivery notes - part no', qty, condition.
Basically we rely on the warehouse guy's experience of knowing the parts!!
What is a 'dock to stock' system?

Thanks

Emma
 
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martin elliott

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

Emma, as long as your suppliers are on a approved suppliers list there is no need for receiving insp., for new suppliers or product change yes write a procedure, remember there should be a history record of acceptable product received with no rejects( a lot of this will depend on how often, how many, and criticalness of parts received) before you can place them on your own approved suppliers list. In response to Martin, this is where you can perform a occasional Dock Audit as stated in my first response to you.

( I am not sure if "criticalness" is actually a word but it sounded good and I think you know what it means, I speak fluent Italian, a lot of German, some Spanish so I forget if all the words I use are real or something I made up.)
Dean

I understand the word (I mainly speak "Yorkshire") and agree with the sentiment but the point I was trying to make was there there are "shalls" here.

EMMA said she had no history (although customer complaints could be a basis) and to to justify your decision on existing suppliers, you need something.

New suppliers total agreement with your suggestion.
 
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martin elliott

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Re: Incoming Inspection dilema - Should we carry out incoming inspection?

Thanks Martin.

My gut feeling was that we'd have to carry out some form of incoming inspection.
The problem I'm running into is we have no human resource to be able to do this & our MD is extremely reluctant to employ someone to do this!
Could we inspect by supplier rather than by part unless there was a repeated problem with a specific part?
Randomly sample deliveries from each supplier each week using a common incoming audit sheet?

Emma
Emma
I personnaly have no problem in just inspecting on a supplier basis rather than part basis (we do here) and set the frequency and inspection sample level on the basis of history and problems. The point I was probably making poorly is that you need to justify the levels you set.
 
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