Singer Michael Jackson dead at 50

BradM

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#11
....but he did dangle his son from a balcony..
A little creepy, yes. But is it significantly off from swinging your kid around, or holding them up/over to see something?

...and there was a $20 mil settlement for a child sex case. That's just what we know about.

No amount of song and dance excuses that, in my book anyway. He made a deal with the devil at the crossroads, and now he pays the bill.
It was a settlement. We still don't know what went on at that ranch. I will submit though, that every male on the Cove would know better than to put themselves in a position where they are alone with a bunch of boys, with no adult supervision.
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Truly, I am not defending the man. I'm just saying he exhibited some very odd behavior, but I have seen much worse characters come and go.

Interesting Wiki on his dad. So how much influence would you say his father had on his life?
 
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#12
I will submit though, that every male on the Cove would know better than to put themselves in a position where they are alone with a bunch of boys, with no adult supervision.
There is a little more to it than that - or boy scouts and summer camps would not be considered acceptable (and maybe they are not anymore, thanks to this stuff.) He had issues - plain and simple. The parents involved were either star struck or opportunists.
 
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curryassassin

#13
Oh, sure, it was entertaining, and money does not necessarily buy happiness. It can even lead to self destruction.

However... (I tried not to)

I have no room in my heart for child abusers/molesters, wife beaters and such. I don't know if he ever beat his wife, but he did dangle his son from a balcony, and there was a $20 mil settlement for a child sex case. That's just what we know about.

No amount of song and dance excuses that, in my book anyway. He made a deal with the devil at the crossroads, and now he pays the bill.
What a very constructive thing to say:nope:. Let's not forget about his enormous contribution to motown/disco. Oh, and not forgetting that he may even say he was sorry for his wordly mesdemeaners when he meets his leader....
 

Randy

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#14
Lets also not forget that it was probably self inflicted with the assistance of those who "loved" him.

Sorry if I seem hard, but this is like Mickey Mantle...please feel sorry for me and give me a liver because I pickled mine with booze all my life....

I loved the music and the "artist", but as a responsible adult....:nope:
 
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Craig H.

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What a very constructive thing to say:nope:. Let's not forget about his enormous contribution to motown/disco. Oh, and not forgetting that he may even say he was sorry for his wordly mesdemeaners when he meets his leader....
I guess you have your opinions and values and I have mine.

:rolleyes:
 

Jim Wynne

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#16
Paul Simon, in his Graceland song "Boy in the Bubble," said "Every generation throws a hero up the pop charts." Amen to that.

I found it interesting in watching the early coverage yesterday that one thirty-something man interviewed on the street in New York said "I'll always remember that I was in Times Square when I heard the news of Michael Jackson's death." As in the Paul Simon lyric, it seems that every generation has one of those too. For me (and most people in the US over the age of fifty) it was the JFK assassination. I was in a sixth-grade math class at Witter elementary school in Brawley, CA. For my parents' generation, the news of FDR's death in 1945 holds a similar time-and-place memory.

I wonder if assigning that sort of reverence to a show biz celebrity means anything in terms of what people consider important these days.
 
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somerqc

#17
I'm a 30 something and will not remember where I was when I heard MJ died. However, I will remember where I was when

1. Challenger exploded (watched it at school with all my classmates)
2. Re-entry explosion (forgot name of shuttle - was at Walt Disney World wondering why all the flags were at half-mast)
3. Iraq War 1 - (at university with very anti-war roommates)

Sorry, but the death of any star doesn't rank with those.

As sad as MJ's death is, it doesn't rank with a presidential assassination, death, or other major political or international event.
 
#18
We mustn't forget that Jackson is not the only singer who has been vilified for such behaviour. I seem to remember that Jerry Lee Lewis was scandalized for dating a 13 year old. More recently, 'Boy George', Gary Glitter and George Michael have all been troubled by their REDACTED proclivities.

You don't have to like them as people - but you might (grudgingly) agree they made their mark on modern music........
 
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selena15

#19
Hi Cove
This is my :2cents:

MJ's death made a chock around the world. and as some of you said, no one can be just indifferent about this fact:(

Even it wasn't my most favorite artist but surely i'm enjoying to hear his songs and see his performance as dancer.

For all these issues that he'd faced with the court about child.
I'm not inclined to believe that he did something wrong with child,

when i heard him talking during the interview, i'm more inclined to see an old child which probaly keep his childhood behaviors inside him and his behaviour as well. Basically if we see the problem that he got with his dad and which result it can came from that.

In my modest view, if he's was even slightly guilty , he won't feel bad as he felt even to be declared innocent.
A guilty person will feel relieved and will be more :notme: than to become more sad and to withdraw into himself.

my deepest sympathy to his family and i hope that the inverstigation won't show any conspiration brrrrr:mg: It is just frightened!

Nice starting week to all of you
Selena
 
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JaneB

#20
I wonder if assigning that sort of reverence to a show biz celebrity means anything in terms of what people consider important these days.
Me too. A lot.

For what it's worth, I remember exactly where I was & what I was doing when I heard the news of JFK's assassination - it was the first time I'd ever seen headlines so big.
 
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